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by nairboon 1342 days ago
For context: Switzerland doesn't have evoting. This is just some big company trying to re-sell a evoting system to the government. It has been in the news a few times, due to software and cryptographic quality issues.
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Well, I'm swiss and evoting at least twice a year... https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa/living-abroad/schweizer...
I can't really dispute it if that's what you claim that you're doing, but how can that be? Article 2.3 from the file "Political rights of the Swiss abroad", which is available under your link, asserts:

>2.3 E-voting

>The option to vote online in federal votes and elections has been on hold since mid-2019.

>Adjustments are to be made to the pilot scheme by the end of 2020. The aim is to establish a stable scheme, using the latest technology, and create an accurate and transparent end-to-end voting system that also preserves the secrecy of the ballot. Efforts are also being made to raise levels of public confidence in e-voting by extending independent monitoring, ensuring greater transparency with regard to e-voting systems and how they operate, and involving the scientific community more effectively. The necessary conditions for resuming the e-voting trials will be redefined by 2020.

Is the government information out of date? If so, this should be reported.

That's not the same system and it's just for the people living outside of the country.
and you are living abroad?
https://www.evoting.ch/en

Do the bare minimum research before posting please.

There is also a bare minimum of manners for polite conversation. I for one prefer when people act politely here. HN is one of the few places online that's normally civil in the comments section.
That's exactly the company and the product. You could've scrolled a bit more:

https://www.evoting.ch/en#transparenz

Voting in Switzerland is either in person or by mail.

>Swiss Post has been providing an e-voting system for the cantons since 2016. It has been developing its new system with complete verifiability at its IT site in Neuchâtel since 2020, providing an e-voting system from Switzerland.

https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting?shortcut=...

Then next paragraph says:

>It plans to make the system available to the cantons for the trial operation once the development and evaluation of the system has been completed.

https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting

In addition, another page on the same website says:

>The cantons of Neuchâtel, Fribourg, Thurgau and Basel-Stadt used Swiss Post’s previous e-voting system until 2019. The following cantons (among others) are planning to use the new Swiss Post system once this becomes legally and technically possible: [list of cantons follows]

>https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting/success-t...

A Swiss Post press statement says:

>Since the beginning of 2021, Swiss Post’s future e-voting system has been put through its paces by independent experts from all over the world. Another testing opportunity is now available: in addition to the ongoing test options, ethical hackers can now attack the e-voting infrastructure for a period of four weeks. This means that, for the first time, they can accurately simulate and target the vote casting process on the voting portal using sample voting cards. The aim is to detect potential vulnerabilities and rectify them in good time. Swiss Post expects to make its new e-voting system available for use by interested cantons during the course of 2023.

https://www.post.ch/en/about-us/media/press-releases/2022/et...

I don't understand why you must be so haughty (vide "Do the bare minimum research before posting please."). Certainly, you are correct for some definition of "Switzerland has an e-voting system" --- there is one under development, and it had been piloted for a limited time period. However, at the moment, it's only in the public testing stage, it's not officially recognized, cannot be used to cast votes, and there is no guarantee that it will get a green light. I think that's the more accepted definition of "to have an e-voting system", in which case the OP was right, and it was you who did not do adequate research.

> Switzerland doesn't have evoting.

Looks like they had it in varying number of areas from 2003 to 2019. Then all systems were withdrawn due to security concerns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_Switzerla...

https://www.ch.ch/en/votes-and-elections/e-voting/#revision-...

Cantons may experiment with evoting in limited pilot schemes.
It's a state owned company so it is kinda selling to itself.
> big company

Isn't it the Swiss post?

> Switzerland doesn't have evoting.

And given what they show off, they should abstain from it for the next 1000 years.