[BoorishBears]

They are wrong. A truly unbelievable coincidence coming across this article, I just got rear-ended by a Model 3 this morning.

Low speed, I'd figure about 10 mph tops: A softball to end all softballs for AEB, and somehow I got hit with considerable force. We've had radar based systems that would have avoided this since the 2000s.

I work in the self-driving space and while it's not an apples to apples comparison because of cost, all I could think is how our sensor stack would have allowed recognizing the car I stopped for, and probably the car it stopped for, let alone my car stopping.

I've already harped on how stupid the "FSD Beta" is, but I quite literally the absurdity of it shoved in my face just this morning only to come and read this. Why is Tesla even being allowed to run this circus at this point?

[phoe18]

Was the Tesla being driven in the FSD mode? or was this a simple human error?

[BoorishBears]

My entire point is that even outside of FSD this is a scenario a base model Corolla has the technology to handle: AEB

You don't actively engage AEB, at the kinds of low speeds involved AEB would have engaged and at least helped stop the car.

This was traffic that was going maybe 20 mph, and the car still hit me solidly enough for my car to lurch forward and almost hit the one in front of me

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But as an aside, this is why Tesla's "Full Self Driving" shouldn't be on the market: It is always human error.

Even if FSD was enabled (I hope it wasn't) it'd be the human's fault for not reacting.

[dawnerd]

Teslas AEB works but if the driver has their foot on the accelerator it won’t. And with one pedal driving, there’s the issue.

But it could also be a case of the person turned it off because of course Tesla let’s you control that.

IMO if the car thinks you’re going to crash it shouldn’t let you override AEB period. Why this isn’t a law…

[amluto]

> Teslas AEB works but if the driver has their foot on the accelerator it won’t.

Seriously?!? Tesla drivers learn to basically always have their foot on the accelerator, because the car slows quite aggressively with the accelerator all the way released.

IMO the one-foot model makes it quite hard to drive without lurching a bit and without unnecessary accidental light breaking while cruising. I often imagine that careful haptic feedback on the pedals could enable a much better one-pedal or blended braking experience.

[NikolaNovak]

I feel that may be irrelevant - my 2019 honda odyssey will stop me no matter what. All lane departure / following, cruise control, etc can be off - but automatic emergency braking / anti colission will work. I would not have it otherwise - I do not have any automated stuff in my old wrx, but I wanted all the safety always in the car with my family.

(it is crazy to me how many brands only have the good safety stuff as part of some ridiculous 9000$ sunroom and leather and Sirius xm package / trim ;-< )

[BoorishBears]

It is completely irrelevant, but that's not stopping people from downvoting the anecdote, seemingly because they don't realize (or don't want to accept) the fact that Tesla has regressed so far that they're starting to miss the bar that earlier versions of the same vehicles set with AP1!

Contrary to some of the replies, at low speeds AEB does override the accelerator, unlike the highway ACC component of AP, so it should have engaged.

[Shank]

For the record, I just took delivery of a Model 3 and seemingly all of these safety features can be toggled off in settings. Because of how complex these systems are, it wouldn't surprise me if someone turned off or configured automatic emergency braking because they thought it would make autopilot better or something.

[mrguyorama]

I CAN turn off AEB in my car, but I would NEVER do that, because it's only shown itself to be very reliable. It's radar based. I never get false warnings from stationary objects and I've only had a single warning that I would consider phantom.

[gwicks56]

My $20k Mazda won't allow me to rear-end somebody even if cruise control is switched off. Neither will my wife Subaru.

[BurningFrog]

Do people actually try this?

I'm pretty sure my Subaru does the same. But I'm not brave enough to actually try a rear-end.

I've been thinking of getting a big cardboard box to try with, but so far it's only an idea :)

[kube-system]

The IIHS tests vehicles with automatic emergency braking at 12mph and at 25mph.

When these systems were new, many vehicles were only able to decrease collision speeds. These days, many vehicles completely avoid crashes at both 12 and 25mph.

Even a new base Honda Civic won’t hit the car in front of it at 25mph. (Or a pedestrian!). https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/honda/civic-4-door-hatc...

[NikolaNovak]

I tested it a little bit during the 2019 Honda Odyssey test drive. It seemed to work.

FWIW, Then unintentionally I had a bit of real world confirmation: a few months ago a car in front of me in slow traffic made a very sudden and complete stop.

I stepped on the brakes; after a second, as I slowed down, the brake feel completely changed and became harder, and I realized that I hadn't been alone - initially, car was braking for/with me, as confirmed with the massive orange letters on the dash board. Then as the system felt it was out of most immediate danger, it released and it was just me braking (that was the brake pedal feel change).

I do occasionally have it engage stage 1 of 3 (1 Visual -> 2 Audio -> 3 Auto Brake). It happens once a month predictable on very slight curves when it thinks I may be accelerating into oncoming traffic.

[jeromegv]

I’m not purposely trying it but I’ve seen my car do it so I know it works.

Civic 2016

[foepys]

Yes, there was a semi-viral video a few weeks back involving a child dummy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mnG_Gbxf_w

[lttlrck]

IIUC this would be autopilot functionality, not FSD. And like the sibling suggests, it should be always on.