[closedloop129]

>what is creating this boundary? is it merely the withdrawing of the self

My armchair answer is that this is creating the boundary. There is no 'merely'. People want to interact with a self.

>within your sense of self, as it’s building, you are being told to take apart, to dismantle, as it is being inappropriately build to their standards.

That's how society works. People have adjusted their self to fit in, they expect the same from everybody else.

[Cornelius267]

> That's how society works. People have adjusted their self to fit in, they expect the same from everybody else.

This makes it seem like a personal failing of the person who is experiencing this disconnect, like the author. Neuroscience shows that this is not the case, and that those with schizoid personality disorders have true physiological and neurological differences.

I hope that you didn't intend to make this into some sort of judgment on the person for failing to "adjust themselves to fit in," because that is a huge part of the judgment that this author is feeling and trying to describe.

[closedloop129]

With a withdrawn self, how can there be a personal failing? My point is that people don't attack her specifically, it's just the way society is. Criticism works for society because people with a self choose which criticism they accept and which they ignore.

People cannot imagine her withdrawn self and thus cannot adjust their criticism and she cannot imagine a self or bring back her self for now and thus doesn't understand most people.

>which is: they cannot hear me, and i cannot hear them. and funnily enough i’m trying to hear them and i’m trying to listen but no one’s trying to listen to me, so why should i keep trying?

Question remains: How can a withdrawn self be brought back?

[engineeringwoke]

> Neuroscience shows that this is not the case, and that those with schizoid personality disorders have true physiological and neurological differences.

Sure, but you assume that the physiological and neurological differences exist in themselves when you could also say that are causal, due to the abuse/neglect. The effects on ones mind from negative life experiences would have to have a physical manifestation in the brain in order to create the patterns of disordered behavior of course. If they are caused by negative life experiences, then they could also be reversible.

[GoblinSlayer]

Normies have more negative experiences as they are more susceptible to manipulation to their detriment. So why not reverse them?

[Cornelius267]

This is true, as a broad statement at least. I can claim no expertise in the area, so I can't comment on the potential to reverse any such changes.

It is also possible that they are not caused by negative life experiences, and are somehow inherent in the organization of a particular person's brain.

[engineeringwoke]

Of course. But I think it's quite common to claim that one's problems in life are incontrovertible when they are not. You stated it as a fact when we really don't know

[thatcat]

Just because something is caused by experience doesn't necessarily mean more experience can completely reverse it.

[gnarbarian]

harsh but true. society, family, culture, work, a baseball game etc. Each of these social structures comes with a whole host of expectations and rules that make that structure work. we routinely sacrifice our internal desires to meet these expectations. generally because we accept that we are all better off when we sacrifice a little for the good of the whole.

I think the really interesting thing is that these things can all work when people have vastly different motivations for participating. for an example with baseball, Joe may like the thrill of a well oiled team making a double play while frank lives to score and hit the ball. both Frank and Joe hate getting up to practice. we don't all need to have the same motivations to make the team work, the only thing that is needed is for the participants to understand the team is necessary to get what they want out of it.