[JumpCrisscross]

> Isn't that obvious?

No. These aren’t disabling attacks.

It could be a warning from the Kremlin; a false flag operation; internecine warfare; interference by the U.S., Gulf or private actors in Norway; or a pipeline built by the same corruption that shipped cardboard armour [1] doing what Russian-involved infrastructure does.

[1] https://mobile.twitter.com/nazk_gov/status/15019605885950156...

[lm28469]

I like to shit on Russia as much as the next guy but keep in mind there is propaganda on both side and Ukraine is infinitely better at it than Russia, these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491788609276608574/...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51936534258_91f5217324_b...

[JumpCrisscross]

> these aren't egg cartons, they're meant to be there

Egg cartons in place of tank reactive armour may be on a schematic. That makes it no less useless. To say the Russian military is operating with top kit denies the battlefield reality.

[glogla]

The "egg cartons" are spacers between explosive reactive armor places. The interesting part isn't that there are egg cartons but that there's only egg cartons - the ERA plates are missing.

My favorite story of Russians and armor plates was the dead Russian soldier who was found with his armor vest plate replaced by a stolen MacBook.

[lm28469]

- they're not egg cartons

- what do you know about russian tank armor ?

> To say the Russian military is operating with top kit denies the battlefield reality.

Yes, but where did I say the opposite ? There are dozens of reports showing it's running on fumes, there is no need to ridicule ourselves by propagating factually wrong infos

Saying "X fact" about russia is wrong doesn't mean someone supports their action. We all know their army is shit and any semblance of proper troops they had died in the first few weeks of the invasion

[JumpCrisscross]

> what do you know about russian tank armor ?

Nothing. Don’t need to. Whether designers put useless armour on the tank or a factory worker messed with a well-designed tank is irrelevant. The tanks were kitted with worthless armour.

[lm28469]

"Do you know US soldiers have literal plates as body armor ? it's even ceramic plates, just like the one you eat from. AHA how dumb can they be, ceramic armor aha "

That's how you sound right now

[JumpCrisscross]

> it's even ceramic plates

Ceramic armour resists bullets. Cardboard doesn’t block or deflect threats to tanks in any form. (It’s not even suitable for collision mitigation.)

[keewee7]

>Ukraine is infinitely better at it than Russia

[Citation needed]

The garbage Australian report that only looked at two hashtags (who even uses hashtags anymore?) doesn't count.

[lm28469]

> [Citation needed]

Really ? How naive can you be ? It's a communication war as much as a regular war

It's never all black or all white, if you can't understand that I feel sorry for you. The reality is bad enough, we don't need to swallow every bit of info coming out of Ukraine.

If you believe Russian tanks are filled with egg cartons because you saw a blurry pic on twitter I don't even know what to tell you. Once again, russia's army is rotten enough that you don't have to make up lies to make it look bad, there are dozens of reports that are _true_ and equally bad

[keewee7]

I was addressing your claim that Ukraine is "infinitely better" at propaganda than Russia.

[lm28469]

Russia's propaganda barely even work inside of its own border while Ukraine's conquered the west, even on this platform smart individual believe random tweets without even questioning it

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/ukraine-propaganda-war

https://www.nzz.ch/international/ukraine-die-kunst-der-propa...

https://theconversation.com/how-ukraine-is-adapting-the-anci...

I'm not even saying it's bad, it just is, I have a hard time understanding how people can't see it. Is it because "propaganda" as a bad connotation and nothing bad can be linked to Ukraine ?

[yucky]

>[Citation needed]

Not the person you replied to, but let's test the theory this way: Can you list out some of the US/Ukraine propaganda? If not, do you think it's because the US/Ukraine isn't using propaganda or because they're better at it and you don't realize it's propaganda?

[Gud]

There's another option, which I think is more likely than Ukraine being better at it. Because we are supportive of Ukraine, we want Ukrainian propaganda to be true.