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by JumpCrisscross 1356 days ago
> what do you know about russian tank armor ?

Nothing. Don’t need to. Whether designers put useless armour on the tank or a factory worker messed with a well-designed tank is irrelevant. The tanks were kitted with worthless armour.
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lm28469 1356 days ago
"Do you know US soldiers have literal plates as body armor ? it's even ceramic plates, just like the one you eat from. AHA how dumb can they be, ceramic armor aha "

That's how you sound right now

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JumpCrisscross 1356 days ago
> it's even ceramic plates

Ceramic armour resists bullets. Cardboard doesn’t block or deflect threats to tanks in any form. (It’s not even suitable for collision mitigation.)

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lm28469 1356 days ago
> Ceramic armour resists bullets.

Why do my plates shatter when I drop them then ?! if they can't withstand my floor how could they possibly deflect bullets ?!

> Cardboard doesn’t block or deflect threats to tanks in any form

Well then good thing there is no cardboard in their tanks. You really take a random pic from twitter as the absolute truth even though you were presented alternatives ?

Maybe another twitter post might help you then: https://twitter.com/russian_defence/status/91989519933319168...

It might be outdated, it might be shitty compared to western version, it's not cardboard and it is supposed to be like that.

But ok let's all dial down our IQ to 56 and pretend Oligarchs sold egg cartons to their army to pay their yacht, that's a nicer story to tell on TV news. "aha look at them funny corrupt russians and their egg cartons, russia dumb"

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JumpCrisscross 1356 days ago
> it is supposed to be like that

I’ve seen claims that this is for structural reinforcement of sandbags, which makes no sense on multiple levels. (Even if the tank armour can’t resist bullets, a premise which raises its own host of questions, there is better light armour. And even if one insists on sand, a requirement which raises its own host of questions, civil engineering has better solved the problem of immobilising sand.) Those claims also have zero history before photos of the egg cartons emerged, which isn’t unexpected for military kit, but suspect given Moscow’s tendency for ham-fisted retconning.

The broader point is, whether designed that way or not, it’s evidence of incompetence. If the people doing that built a pipe part, I wouldn’t be surprised to see it fail. (Though based on German comments, there is reason to suspect foul play.)

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lm28469 1356 days ago
> The broader point is, whether designed that way or not, it’s evidence of incompetence.

Yet you went for the "aha funny egg cartons how can they be so dumb" narrative instead of the "look they have a shitty army"

> Those claims also have zero history before photos of the egg cartons emerged,

Besides the literal tank specs and the tweets/websites I linked to from 2017 which was like 5 years before the picture emerged.

It's free to admit you were wrong and propagating false information, I'm not attacking you personally you don't have to be so triggered: they have a decrepit army: yes, they have egg carton tanks: no, as simple as that

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JumpCrisscross 1356 days ago
Fair enough, I didn't mean to be misleading. The egg cartons aren't literally cardboard. But while nobody can agree on what they were supposed to be doing (encasing missing reactive armor? doing something with sand? voodoo?), there is broad agreement on what it didn't do: serve a useful purpose.
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