[criley2]

Lol I am going to describe your reply as Russian propaganda for a number of reasons:

1) You "" quoted "support" as a way to diminish it, even though the Western support has clearly been absolutely instrumental in every possible way to the Ukrainian resistance. To deny this is either ignorance or malfeasance. Without western "support" Kyiv would have fallen in the first weeks. Instead, Ukrainians are fully routing the Russians who are in mass retreat. Some "support"!!

2) American lend-lease is a way to reduce domestic red tape and expedite transfers of military equipment. It's a formality and the US is not some creditor hounding nations. In fact, some nations never repaid the WW2 debts at all and no one cares https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#Repayment Your characterization of it is... bizarre and weird... unless you're pushing agitprop. If the Ukrainian people make some token tiny payment 50 years from now as a commemoration of this beautiful new brotherhood, it will be a special moment. But if it never comes, no one will care.

3) American lend-lease is SEPARATE from the monetary assistance -- the $15 billion dollars the US has given to Ukraine since the war began is not a lend-lease debt. And American lend-lease obviously doesn't cover things like the MASSIVE Polish contributions. To lump all of Western "support" into "lend-lease", when in reality it's not, again is either ignorance or malfeasance.

[451mov]

Lol a race to the bottom as usual with someone who is hooked on western main stream media e.g: "Russians are in mass retreat" - this is comical. People like you see no nuance, I am against the war in the first instance. A more realistic understanding of geopolitics could and should have avoided this war but that day has long since passed.

Yes i am diminishing the "support" provided by the west, as op mentioned if the west was so determined to stand with Ukraine then they should be putting soldiers on the ground. People like you couldn't careless, your "support" will just add fuel to the fire of an already burning Ukraine.

I'll go further, the wests support is actually tantamount to warmongering (but thats par for the course).

[criley2]

> Lol a race to the bottom as usual with someone who is hooked on western main stream media e.g: "Russians are in mass retreat" - this is comical

Lol the Kremlin yesterday posted their daily maps which showed a full retreat from the NE region to Russian borders, and social media is full of videos in NE Ukraine of abandoned gear, tanks, artillery, stockpiles, etc.

The Kremlin amusingly calls it a "a planned withdrawal" but even Russian commentators are struggling with the absurdity of the latest spin, because they have front-lines Russian bloggers attached who are filming the abandonment of heavy equipment, supplies and even small arms. How funny that you accuse me of western-MSM when even domestic Russian media has shown it.

Bless your sweet little heart, I know, it's really hard to maintain the Russian propaganda in places where the Kremlin can't murder people who disagree.

> I'll go further, the wests support is actually tantamount to warmongering (but thats par for the course).

And there it is. The 1984 Doublespeak moment that the Russian propaganda thrives on.

Defense is Warmongering. Helping is hurting. How dare those dastardly westerners allow Ukraine to freely associate with them! The Ukranian people are the property of Russia and should be thrilled to be "de-nazified"! The proper ethical decision is to simply give in during Russia's "de-nazification" genocide campaign!

I'll go further: your defense of the horrific Russian genocide campaign by attempting to blame the West for it is an act of complete moral cowardice and a textbook example of how propaganda leads people to support genocide.

[ghostwriter]

Do Ukraine and the West have a course of action in case of a total energy blackout in Ukraine right before the winter [1]? It seems to me that the local success in Kharkiv is not possible to expand onto other regions without significant army loss, because the adversary is energy-independent and is able to continue indefinitely as long as they don't lose their military or as long as their losses are xN fewer than Ukraine's. How much military did Ukraine lose to achieve success in Kharkiv region?

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/11/russian-strike...

[criley2]

>Do Ukraine and the West have a course of action in case of a total energy blackout in Ukraine right before the winter [1]?

While Russia's attacks on Ukraine's power and heating infrastructure are vile and evil and designed to hurt civilians, I do believe that the West has many plans to help the people of Ukraine who are displaced and at-risk due to Russia's warcrimes.

This also includes the reality that the Russian's are attempting to destroy nuclear facilities to create a massive regional fallout event, another breathtakingly evil war crime.

> It seems to me that the local success in Kharkiv is not possible to expand onto other regions without significant army loss, because the adversary is energy-independent and is able to continue indefinitely as long as their army doesn't lose its military or as long as their losses a xN fewer than Ukraine's.

This doesn't make any sense. Russia is not "energy-independent", quite contrary, they require supply lines for fuel to keep the vehicles moving just like everyone else. The Russian supply lines have been notoriously bad this war, which is arguably the #1 reason for the poor Russian performance. (Although American intelligence tracks all Russian supply movement in Ukraine, and American HIMARS can hit any target in Ukraine, so the Ukrainians have viciously destroyed Russian supply infrastructure from long range, forcing Russians to keep supplies far from the front).

Ukraine has just dealt a massive blow to the Russian resupply lines by taking major train hubs that the Russians, until 3 days ago, were using to resupply forces across Ukraine.

> How much military did Ukraine lose to achieve success in Kharkiv region?

Considered that there was very little reports of Russian resistance (they were in full withdrawal and not mounting any kind of stand), reports from both Ukraine and Russia show that losses over the past 3 days have been minimal for both sides.

[ghostwriter]

> While Russia's attacks on Ukraine's power and heating infrastructure are vile and evil and designed to hurt civilians, I do believe that the West has many plans to help the people of Ukraine who are displaced and at-risk due to Russia's warcrimes.

What help would it be in case of a blackout? Energy prices in Europe are soaring at the moment and I don't see a clear strategy how these infrastructure destructions could be mitigated and replaced by european nations on a timely manner, that is crucial for civilians' safety in major urban areas. People in rural areas could probably fallback to sustaining their households by burning logs and coal, but the city dwellers?

[criley2]

Food and medical supplies, fuel for non-electric heating, etc. We'll help the Ukrainians survive. The people of Europe are strong and will endure.

Yes, Russia will be able to enact a lot of pain of Europe through natural gas, but the reality is that Europe is fully capable of transitioning away from Russia, while Russia has absolutely zero plan for their economy after losing their biggest export and biggest customer.

Honestly, the oligarchs, the Russian generals, the Russian people, when they realize that their main source of money is being replaced permanently it's not hard to imagine regime change leading to the end of the invasion and re-opening of supplies. Putin might not care, but his people do. This is how out of control dictators fail... they cut off their nose to spite their face.

[451mov]

Lol social media is full of videos? well thats me convinced. Even if that were the case it doesn't even matter, Putin cannot and will not loose this war.

I see no need to respond to your hysterical misrepresentation of my point. Holding an opinion on an issue that is not yours does not mean i immediately support the exact opposite. Again, no nuance with you at all. Again, I am against the war. Putins resolve is far stronger than the wests and whether you like it or not Putin is winning the war.

[criley2]

>Lol social media is full of videos? well thats me convinced. Even if that were the case it doesn't even matter, Putin cannot and will not loose this war.

More denial of real evidence. I love how casually people simply discard real video evidence that goes against their propaganda beliefs. What about the Kremlin's official maps? I notice you did not have any opinion when I quoted the Kremlin. Hmm!

Putin can and will lose this war, and it will cost him his position and his country.

> I see no need to respond to your hysterical misrepresentation of my point

Fascinating how when I use the exact same debate tactic as you, suddenly you feel the need to pretend to be above it (despite doing the same thing multiple times in a chain we can all read). I love the "golden rule mirror" because it exposes the hypocrisy of bad actors online so effortlessly.

> Again, no nuance with you at all

And I would charge that you have no evidence. You exist in a world of stories and propaganda and your only skills are "denying video evidence" and "spinning stories the opposite".

Also, the person who says "putin cannot and will not lose" is saying someone else has no nuance? This is rank hypocrisy and a bad joke.

> Putins resolve is far stronger than the wests and whether you like it or not Putin is winning the war.

The genocide of the Ukranian existence will not succeed, no matter how much Na*i Putin and his supporters like you want it to be. The Russian genocide will fail.

Why? The entire domestic predicate of the war is non-existence. 50% of Russians do not follow the war and don't care. Putin plays on ferris wheels while his army crumbles in mass retreat.

The only way Putin can win is through a full scale draft and war-time mobilization of the Russian economy, which he cannot do.

We are watching the end of Putin's Russia in real time. I personally believe that the fallout from this massive blunder will be the breakup of Russian colonization across Asia, and countries like China will be growing.