[mort96]

Camera manufacturers and SD card manufacturers can't start shipping SD cards formatted with btrfs until Windows supports it out of the box. They can start shipping SD cards formatted with FAT32 and software/firmware which reads and writes FAT32+BigFAT.

[georgyo]

More specifically, they need a filesystem that both Windows and MacOS can read. No one wants to take their SD card to a friend's computer and have it not work for reasons they won't understand.

The shared set there is basically just fat and exfat.

If Microsoft and Apple collaborated on a new filesystem, or even just supported it, then we might have a possible successor. However even with that, the millions of already shipped devices won't support it. This during the transition period of many years there will still need to be support for fat.

That keeps fat the lowest common denominator and everything supporting it.

[BearOso]

Remember last time they tried a universal media filesystem with UDF? It was implemented in the most incompatible ways as a token gesture by both Microsoft and Apple. These companies want their own, patented, proprietary fs so they can maintain lock-in.

The only way to get a universal standard is to have the community do it and have enough people use it that the big companies have to capitulate.

[ComodoHacker]

The problem is you can't get there without out-of-the-box support.

[babypuncher]

exFAT is a good candidate for a replacement "lowest common denominator" file system, and support for it is growing rapidly now that Microsoft has effectively open-sourced it.

But as you pointed out, in a transitionary period there is still a need to support older devices and software. FOSS purists may also not approve of using exFAT in some situations, since the relevant patents have not yet expired, even if MS has released them to the OIN.

[jchw]

Now that exFAT is "open", I've seen it cropping up much more often. SD cards often ship with it, especially large ones.

[LinAGKar]

That happened before it was open. exFAT is the standard filesystem on SDXC

[axiolite]

> can't start shipping SD cards formatted with btrfs until Windows supports it out of the box

3rd parties can write drivers for Windows, you know. A small, read-only FAT partition on a USB stick or SD card could contain the installable drivers necessary to read/write the rest of the disk.

However, that's unnecessary. The best option for a universal file system is UDF. Windows, Mac, and Linux all have full read/write support.

See: https://github.com/JElchison/format-udf

[chasil]

I guess what is needed is a BSD implementation of btrfs.

Still, something similar to fuse might help with the licensing.

[mort96]

No, what is needed is for Windows and macOS to support btrfs out of the box.

[umanwizard]

If they can ship software that reads BigFAT, why can’t they ship software that reads btrfs?

[mort96]

Other people have given good answers, but here's another one: People's computers can already mount BigFAT-formatted drives.

Do you know what happens when you insert a btrfs-formatted SD card or USB stick into a Windows or macOS machine? It tells you that the drive is unreadable and asks if you want to initialize it. If the user answers yes to that question, the system formats the drive and all of their data is lost.

With a BigFAT-formatted drive, the system will mount it no problem, the user will be able to browse the contents, and the only weird part is that their largest files are split into parts.

[guipsp]

Because you only need the software for >4gb files and block level access requires root or admin usually. This is can be fully userspace if your OS already supports Fat32 (it does).

[creshal]

1. BTRFS is a lot more complex.

2. Switching to BTRFS would be a breaking change. BigFAT wouldn't be. You can still use the card in devices that do not support it, without needing to reformat. Those devices would just lose access to some files.

[m-p-3]

Probably simplicity. It would be easier for a manufacturer to do a quick firmware update that implements BigFAT than having them support BTRFS.