[spookierookie]

So, everybody knows that almost certainly the crew killed him, and the crew and their company and their vessel just walks?

And that keeps happening...

I'd propose in any subsequent event of a missing observer captain does time, ship seized, company closed and that's done even before police starting asking questions. I bet there wouldn't be any missing observer after that.

[skrebbel]

I’ll never understand how passionately people will argue for a society without any form of civic justice, just because they’re angry about something they read on the internet.

Just lock random people up without due process! That’ll teach them!

[spookierookie]

Does what happened seem just to you? That form of passion that you disapprove comes from failing to serve justice in the first place. Do you have any better proposal than to just keep going like this and be sorry for the observers that end up at the bottom of the sea? If yes I'm eager to hear about it.

Also, unless I'm very rusty with the legal system, if you're the captain, by definition you're responsible for anyone on board. Coming back to port with anyone missing should be a HUGE problem for you. I don't get that impression here.

[FpUser]

>"Coming back to port with anyone missing should be a HUGE problem for you."

After proving ( in the court of law) that it was because captain's neglect. If sailor A kills sailor B just for the fuck of it (and this happens or the true reason might be unknown) do you propose preventively punish a captain before establishing causation and guilt?

And most of injustice happens because our laws are constructed in fucked up ways and almost never punish politicians that are the ultimate reasons for such system. The example - asymmetric laws when it is easy to declare person dead by mistake with all the consequences and then it takes years for a person to get their rights back. And many other laws are like this. You want justice - go after politicians first. Here is the idea - if any person is harmed as the result of such asymmetric laws every politician immediately gets 10% salary cut until the law is fixed. Suddenly you'll find politicians busy doing nothing but fixing law system. This of course will be a problem on its own.

[ianai]

No need to sensationalize. Seizing a ship and other investigative steps sounds more like securing a crime scene and due process than anything else. If someone's a suspect in a serious crime it's probably best to not let them cross into international waters.

[Beltalowda]

"Captain does time" and "company closed", all "done even before police starts asking questions" doesn't sound like "due process" to me.

[markstos]

You could stop eating tuna today. For good measure, other fish too. Consumers are part of this story and have choices to make.

[ianai]

Agree. There's plenty to be said for simply choosing to not engage/employ bad actors. The fishing industry is full of pretty terrible stuff. I stopped eating meat in 2016.

[lupire]

There is no amount of fish that I can not eat that will stop other people from paying people to catch fish.

[markstos]

Every grocery trip is a vote.

[FpUser]

>"I'd propose in any subsequent event of a missing observer captain does time, ship seized, company closed and that's done even before police starting asking questions."

I have better idea. Imprison POTUS or whomever else goes for a similar role in other countries. After all they're the ones ultimately responsible. And do it for any injustice that has lead to a death/s or anything stronger then mere inconvenience.