[clipper_janosch]

You should get your full ticket back + the EU compensation - 1/3.

No worries, I did this a few years back and the process took a while but I got the money.

Also, the EU compensation is rather handsome, especially on a long flight like that, you mention 1800 EUR, how much was the ticket originally?

[teh_klev]

> No worries, I did this a few years back and the process took a while but I got the money.

"No worries", that's perhaps fine if you have access to large amounts of cash or credit to fund replacement flights whilst you wait until the airline finally pulls its finger out. And what then if the replacement flights you booked get cancelled at the last minute? Now you're out thousands of euros.

So no, it's not "no worries".

[ClumsyPilot]

I used to hate the word 'privilidge', but it applies here perfectly.

Like a person who has spare $10,000 laying around and a lawyer on retainer can't even fathom how this is a problem.

Maybe you lost $3000 of tickets for a family flight, and booking replacement tickets will costs 2x as much because you are booking short notice.

And maybe if you cant get replacement tickets, now you loose $5,000 of hotel, so now your total losses are 8k.

And if you don't know the law and don't have legslly literste friends, maybe you never get compensation

Also known as poverty premium

[nemo44x]

I think the problem with the word “privilege” is it’s used in a context that suggests someone is granted something of value by virtue of their “just existing” that others don’t have.

In the case of having a money cushion this could be true if you’re born into a wealthy family and have a trust fund. But it’s not the case for someone who has built wealth for themselves. They aren’t “privileged” in this sense. They earned it.

[ClumsyPilot]

> But it’s not the case for someone who has built wealth for themselves.

I used to think so untill I encountered:

"You young people don't know what it's like to work hard, I started with nothing and bought a house. You can't buy a house because you spend all your money on Avocado on toast."

Now I realise it's a polite way of saying 'you are an idiot'.

It's a mindset where you don't understand what life is like for the person you are trying to lecture. It doesn't matter if you are hostile or helpfull, it just means you don't understand the relevant problems.

You think avocado is relevant to house purchasing, you design benefits system for homeless people that asks for your address. You asks people how is it a problem that you need to file a lawsuit to get your money back - like who can't file a lawsuit. Or who doesnt have internet?

If you 'self-made' your wealth 20 years ago, you will have forgotten how it was, and times have changed. So it helps, but is not strictly relevant.

[zdragnar]

I don't know about Germany, but small claims courts (where this level of damages would belong) are really quite accessible. Hiring a lawyer for one is overkill.

If you can get to a public library, you have internet.

Not everything is an intractable problem, though I'll agree that avocado on toast is an unlikely reason to not be able to buy a house (though is a reasonable hyperbole for "bad financial planning", if rather insultingly dismissive).

[mindslight]

Furthermore, "privilege" makes it sound like the advantageous state should be seen as the exceptional condition, and that social equality would be served by getting rid of the "privilege". Whereas actually, we should aspire to reform our society such that everyone has the economic power to represent themselves.

[nemo44x]

If you read enough Italian Elite Theory and some Nietzsche it pretty much comes down to a strategy to become the master class/elite of a society. Instead of earning status outright, another approach is to agitate for it using masses of people to prop you up. Hence identity politics designed by some hopeful elites to recruit masses of wannabe but never will be elites wrapped in a formal claim of justice or some other such emotional nonsense. The actual issue is “I want power over others”.

[javajosh]

Players of RTS games will note that this is why you have to build resource storage as well as extraction - storage functions as a "shock absorber" that saves you money in the long run. (A consumer credit line is, for example, a kind of virtual/worse type of storage that is, ironically, not even available unless you already have significant flow.)

[3pt14159]

Well, it's more that resource storage allows adaptivity rather than being a shock absorber, per se.

For example, in the fog of war or the early game we don't know if the enemy is teching, econo-expanding, or rushing. In the mid-game we know an attack is coming, but we're uncertain its unit composition. So in the early game we store some resources while we scout. If we see them teching we can dump everything into military expansion since they'll have neither the army nor the production to counter any attack. Same idea for mid-game: knights -> build pikeman, archers -> build knights.

If it were merely about shock absorption we may as well have dumped it all into walls, archers, and castles.

[Retric]

I would describe those as shocks. I may prefer to set money aside and then fix my car before it breaks down from a transmission issue or whatever, but I don’t know that it will be a problem. In the same way I would prefer to blind counter in an RTS, but I just don’t have that information.

[3pt14159]

Well, why not dump all the money into units then? Right? It's fundamentally about the adaptability not the defence depth.

[SilasX]

Yeah, and there are a lot of horror stories about credit lines being cut off at exactly the times you need them. I remember one on a personal finance UK forum about someone who quit his job and was going to draw on his standing home equity line of credit to start a business but then had the request denied because "lol you don't have income anymore".

[11101010001100]

Perhaps travel via airplane in general should begin to be viewed as privilege considering its impact on the planet.

[vandreas2]

I hate to use the word 'privilege' but it applies the other way as well. Like someone is probably in a privileged position to demand immediate refund and a handsome EU compensation on top of that, many people in more unprivileged parts of the world wouldn't be so lucky to get any of that at all. Privilege arguments can go so many ways.

[eckesicle]

That happened to me last summer. I had to rebook cancelled flights with British Airways multiple times to get home. In the end i was out over £15000 pounds worth of flights. BA offered me vouchers valid for a year in replacement. In the end i called my credit card company and disputed the charges. They wanted me to pay in the interim, I refused, and a few days later Amex credited my account. 90 days later they said BA had not disputed my claims on time, and I was therefore awarded the full amount.

[wheels]

My flights were for me and my kids. Total of €2700. One of the flights was booked separately (because booking together didn't work on any of the websites I tried), though also American Airlines, and I won't get a refund on that. The €1200 that I'll get will only cover the extra missed flight, and my Airbnb. And that doesn't scratch that I had to find new summer vacation plans with my kids on one day's notice. That is not no worries.

[clipper_janosch]

Look, I am sorry this happened, but you should get the total 2700 EUR back + compensation.

"though also American Airlines, and I won't get a refund on that" <-- you should double check this, if one of the airports is in the EU you get everything back for your departure flight.

https://realworldmachine.com/travel/airline/eu-flight-compen... "Flights must either arrive into the EU via an EU-headquartered airline or originate from the EU (regardless of airline headquarters) for the EU Flight Compensation Regulation to be applicable."

Obviously they will tell you otherwise.

Funny how people call me privileged etc. but you literally fill out a web form with flight number, upload your tickets and the solicitors handle the rest and the money gets dropped into your account within 6 months or so.

It's a lot of money, of course the Airlines are going to try to wiggle themselves out of it, so you have to fight them to get your right.

I think you will get 2700 EUR back for sure, flight compensation as well and you might even be able to claim for the BnB.