[fivestarman]

He has a bachelor of arts in physics. He isn't an engineer. There are actual qualifications to being an engineer and he doesn't have those. He came up from his dad's unethical mining company. His code has never been used because it "was garbage".

If elon musk is an engineer, what has he engineered that has his name on it?

Please point me in the direction that shows that elon has the certifications and education to call himself an engineer.

Musk has a lot of people fooled that he's a genius, and he even lied about having asbergers, on top of everything else he has lied about.

[bottlepalm]

There actually aren't any official qualifications to be an engineer unless you are talking about 'licensed engineers' of which only 20% of all engineers are. Please correct me if I'm wrong and post the official qualifications.

That being said, a physics degree is more than enough to work in most engineering positions. Elon being the leader is probably the most important part of the SpaceX and Tesla engineering teams and shares the credit with everyone else when a good product ships.

[heavyset_go]

I've had people tell me that a kid building things with LEGO bricks is an engineer, so that means Musk is an engineer, too. Apologists will stretch the definition of an engineer in order to claim that Musk is an engineer, as well. It's often stretched so thin that pretty much anyone who built anything would be qualified as an engineer using the definition that also qualifies Musk as one, too.

[bottlepalm]

Many engineers have degrees in physics. It's a perfectly legitimate degree to have for an engineering position. There is no stretch of the definition whatsoever.

[heavyset_go]

> Many engineers have degrees in physics.

I never claimed otherwise. Having a degree in physics does not make an engineer, though.

[bottlepalm]

A person whose title is 'RF Communication Systems Engineer' and has a physics degree is an engineer.

A person whose title is 'Chief Engineer' and has a physics degree is also an engineer aka Elon therefore he is an engineer.

This is ridiculous debate given Elon leads thousands of engineers daily and given his success there's no doubt that he is making good engineering decisions daily because he is a good engineer.

[heavyset_go]

> A person whose title is 'Chief Engineer' and has a physics degree is also an engineer aka Elon therefore he is an engineer.

You mean the title Musk gave himself, like "Techno King"? Even Musk admits that his titles don't mean anything[1].

It's a real stretch to think someone calling themselves an engineer makes them an engineer.

There must be millions of people working with "software engineer" titles who aren't aware that they're actually engineers, too!

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/07/elon-musk-ceo-is-made-up-tit...

[bottlepalm]

Software engineers aren't actually engineers because they have degrees in computer science. Especially the kids who don't go to college and start their own companies giving themselves software engineering titles. Giving yourself the title automatically disqualifies you from being an engineer no matter all the things you accomplish.

Given there is no official definition and the definition is subjective, you pretty much can't win this argument.