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by hooloovoo_zoo 1400 days ago
Ferrari has no choice. They’ll eventually be banned on noise pollution grounds/ be too low performance to be considered super cars if they stick with internal combustion.
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When you buy a Ferrari you buy an experience, history etc, engine sound is good part of that experience. No way Ferrari will be banned for noise or pollution. On road a Ferrari noise is quite low when running low speed. Pollution is non existent for cars that drive few kms per year.
Ferrari already sell enough cars in the EU per year to be subject to the 2030 ban on ICE powertrains. If they drop their manufacturing by 5-10% then they could conceivably fall into the 2035 bucket.
Living in an area with an above average number of hyper-cars on the road. There is every possibility that they will be banned for noise or pollution. The roar of a Ferrari engine is unmistakable even at low speeds (especially when compared to the noise of an EV or hybrid)
Supposedly it's already happening, although I think in this particular case Nissan is just whining and can't actually sell the car because it's outdated. https://jalopnik.com/nissan-killed-the-gt-r-in-europe-becaus.... The regulations are thankfully only going to get stricter.
Honda Civic Type Rs have a speaker system that makes more impressive engine sounds for the driver. Maybe Ferrari can go with that
I don't think you understand the mindset. It's not about mimicking something good, it's about having something good. Your 2$ Casio watch is more accurate than a Rolex, yet people still go for the Rolex

EVs bring performance in the same way Audible brings performance to "reading", ie it's a complete different experience, and some people prefer the old way.

No performance oriented person look at Tesla specs and drool, sure you smoke a fefe in a straight line, add a few turns and quick decel/accel and it's a whole other story. The m3 battery alone weight 1/3rd of a whole Ferrari

Cars like the Lamborghini Urus do that and replay fake engine sounds through the speakers, and it's an absolute abomination
nobody who buys Ferrari for what the brand represents and delivers is accepting this fake approach, thats for cheap brands
When everyone has EVs the sound of any IC is going to become increasingly noticeable. I can see a point where IC vehicles are banned from cities on noise grounds alone.
When 99.99% of cars are EV the common man will not care about the rare ICE car that comes along anymore than he cares when he sees the DPW driving a backhoe down the street.

By the time the long tail of "people driving old junk" is narrow enough for banning ICEs to be politically palatable the bulk of the people screeching about it now will have picked up some more pressing issue and be caring about that instead.

Not going to happen in 50 years, probably more. I still see a lot of >20 yo cars, lots of people simply can't afford a new or even used car. Let alone trucks: my father was a concrete mixer truck owner (sorry I don't know exact word for that), when fully loaded the truck run 300 meters with one liters of diesel, it's more than 30 liters per 100kms.
How many Ferraris do you see every day ?

For every Ferrari you have hundreds of 1970-80s diesel cars which pollute just as much in every city centers

How often do you see a car from the 80s still on the road?
oof, every single day, they easily outnumber ferraris
Plaid's times around the Nurb show that when weight gets solved with solid state batteries, which is what all the high end cars will use, ICE won't be competitive.

And while it's been a bit like fusion power, always a couple years away, enough is happening in solid state that it's probably happening in a couple years.

Now, it might now be competitive in the mass market, where I believe sodium ion and LFP/LMFP/etc chemistries will dominate for probably a decade, but it will own the 100k+ car segment.

You mean, plaid has terrible Nordsleife performance? Overheating, super bad brakes and they run out of charge after 1 lap. Also, the lap-record of the plaid is not impressive at all compared to ICE.

The plaid lap-time was not on a standard car. They had ceramic brakes which you cannot order from Tesla. There were probably more modifications done on the car.

Also, a part from the weight, the range of EV vehicles seriously needs to go up to be competitive to ICE.

Plaid's Nurb lap only showed how far behind these cars really are still.

"Plaid's Nurb lap only showed how far behind these cars really are still. "

It basically has the all-drivetrain production sedan. Oh sure... Tesla doesn't offer 50 racing trims like Porsche and BMW. Whatever. Tesla did some afterthought track kit and broke the record. But... sure, go ahead and pretend it doesn't. I loved how Jalopnik commenters collectively shit their pants and called false news like they are used to from watching OAN. Good to see its still alive.

You think tesla has teams of engineers devoted to cranking out racing versions of Plaid? Yeah, uh, no. That's what makes their Nurb time even funnier. It was probably a couple weekends of air kit testing and a cage retrofit.

You'd have a better argument talking about how the IDR is 45 seconds off of the LMP derivative. But I think you know in the back of your head when about 10 years of forthcoming battery and motor tech gets developed... that isn't standing.

Motorheads can talk about 1000HP engines and top speeds they never hit, it doesn't matter. 0-60 is owned by EVs. Quarter miles are a wash. Endurance racing? Battery swaps. Wireless charging built into the track. Who cares.

Racing will need to make a decision: have all racing be like NASCAR with carburetors in the year 2010, or be at the forefront of transportation evolution and development. F1 and LMP is already behind with hybrids, those were introduced in 1997 with the Prius.

Electric vehicles are terrible for racing. All your arguments are things that don't even exist yet. I'm not a motorhead, I'm trying to be unbiased.

The Tesla is absolutely not ready for Nurburgring laps. It did a quick time but that's just marketing. Tesla's are not race ready. Again, the brakes suck, they are terrible, dangerously so. The battery will overheat and you can't do more than one lap.

Again, currently, EV is still far behind to be competitive to ICE for racing.

On a hotlap they'll probably be quick but electric racing cars would still end up spending hours in the pits if they raced at le mans for example
They actually managed to get a luxury bullshit ICE vehicles exception for the upcoming European ban of ICE cars.