[AtlasBarfed]

Plaid's times around the Nurb show that when weight gets solved with solid state batteries, which is what all the high end cars will use, ICE won't be competitive.

And while it's been a bit like fusion power, always a couple years away, enough is happening in solid state that it's probably happening in a couple years.

Now, it might now be competitive in the mass market, where I believe sodium ion and LFP/LMFP/etc chemistries will dominate for probably a decade, but it will own the 100k+ car segment.

[dncornholio]

You mean, plaid has terrible Nordsleife performance? Overheating, super bad brakes and they run out of charge after 1 lap. Also, the lap-record of the plaid is not impressive at all compared to ICE.

The plaid lap-time was not on a standard car. They had ceramic brakes which you cannot order from Tesla. There were probably more modifications done on the car.

Also, a part from the weight, the range of EV vehicles seriously needs to go up to be competitive to ICE.

Plaid's Nurb lap only showed how far behind these cars really are still.

[AtlasBarfed]

"Plaid's Nurb lap only showed how far behind these cars really are still. "

It basically has the all-drivetrain production sedan. Oh sure... Tesla doesn't offer 50 racing trims like Porsche and BMW. Whatever. Tesla did some afterthought track kit and broke the record. But... sure, go ahead and pretend it doesn't. I loved how Jalopnik commenters collectively shit their pants and called false news like they are used to from watching OAN. Good to see its still alive.

You think tesla has teams of engineers devoted to cranking out racing versions of Plaid? Yeah, uh, no. That's what makes their Nurb time even funnier. It was probably a couple weekends of air kit testing and a cage retrofit.

You'd have a better argument talking about how the IDR is 45 seconds off of the LMP derivative. But I think you know in the back of your head when about 10 years of forthcoming battery and motor tech gets developed... that isn't standing.

Motorheads can talk about 1000HP engines and top speeds they never hit, it doesn't matter. 0-60 is owned by EVs. Quarter miles are a wash. Endurance racing? Battery swaps. Wireless charging built into the track. Who cares.

Racing will need to make a decision: have all racing be like NASCAR with carburetors in the year 2010, or be at the forefront of transportation evolution and development. F1 and LMP is already behind with hybrids, those were introduced in 1997 with the Prius.

[dncornholio]

Electric vehicles are terrible for racing. All your arguments are things that don't even exist yet. I'm not a motorhead, I'm trying to be unbiased.

The Tesla is absolutely not ready for Nurburgring laps. It did a quick time but that's just marketing. Tesla's are not race ready. Again, the brakes suck, they are terrible, dangerously so. The battery will overheat and you can't do more than one lap.

Again, currently, EV is still far behind to be competitive to ICE for racing.

[mhh__]

On a hotlap they'll probably be quick but electric racing cars would still end up spending hours in the pits if they raced at le mans for example