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by LtWorf 1405 days ago
> Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker.

Nah it works completely fine. There is no photoshop, yes, but stuff does work.

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Except for power management, screen sharing under Wayland and certain Bluetooth headsets
Headset does not work on Linux: “This is crap, I’ll tell everybody I know to stay away from Linux!”

Headset does not work on Windows: “This is crap, I’ll tell everybody I know to stay away from these headphones!”

I’m actually trying to convince my current employer to let us use Linux laptops instead of windows ones (with Linux vms for all development).

My comment was in reply to someone saying Linux just works without needing to tinker, and as much as I’d prefer to be using a Linux based laptop, those are 3 things I have spent countless hours tinkering with to try and get working without success.

I assume that there is reasonable PC laptops out there which also have problems with “power management, screen sharing […] and certain Bluetooth headsets” …on Windows. If you were to encounter such a laptop, would you also consider Windows to “not work” with these three things?

If not, then why do you do that for Linux?

> If you were to encounter such a laptop

I don’t encounter such laptops except when they run Linux.

Other OSes have their own litany of issues, however the topic under discussion was how well Linux just worked without tinkering, and these things are still pain points for Linux that I don’t encounter on other platforms.

This is not to imply that Linux is bad out that you shouldn’t use it, just that it is still not tinker free.

> Other OSes have their own litany of issues, however the topic under discussion was how well Linux just worked without tinkering, and these things are still pain points for Linux that I don’t encounter on other platforms.

My point is that yes you do. You just immediately attribute the problem to the other parts, not to Windows. Myriads of Windows users everywhere have all sorts of problems with all sorts of hardware, and everyone just accepts it as some sort of problem that they’re having. But a problem where Linux is involved somewhere? Then it’s suddenly Linux which is prone to problems.

I get battery life similar to Windows on my X1. I regularly share my screen on work-related meeting and it works for me without any issues on Gnome with Wayland.
I no longer use a Linux laptop for work but as recently as a year ago, plugging an external monitor/keyboard in to my X14 wouldn’t wake it up (required manually opening and closing the lid), I could use the headphones on AirPods but not the mic, and screen sharing on teams (and a bunch of other video conferencing software) would only work on X11 and not Wayland.

This was running the latest Ubuntu at the time (20, and then 21).

Perhaps things have changed in the last year?

> I could use the headphones on AirPods but not the mic

This is still the case. I was just trying to get this to work. You can't use the mic on a Bluetooth headset. There's supposedly a workaround that requires you to install and run a smartphone software stack on your laptop, but I could never get it to work.

> I no longer use a Linux laptop for work but as recently as a year ago, plugging an external monitor/keyboard in to my X14 wouldn’t wake it up (required manually opening and closing the lid)

Is this supposed to work on Mac? Does it need configuring? Is it something I need to enable? I always had to remove and reinsert the power cord to wake a sleeping docked Macbook.

My WH-1000XM4 has Mac os sometimes forget it has an audio device when the Mac wakes from sleep, resulting in a need to manually disconnect and reconnect from the Bluetooth menu.

My Samson G-Track Pro USB microphone does not get recognised on M1 Macs. It worked fine on a previous Intel Mac.

The only one of those I have a problem with is screen sharing from Chromium-based browsers. Works fine from Firefox.