[dougmwne]

Before there was science, technology, math and statistical inference, there were our dreams and our stories about a world that could be something other than what it was at that very moment for that very individual.

Have you noticed how many Star Trek gadgets are real things you can now buy in a store? That does not happen in some inevitable scientific process that will eventually produce obvious predefined advancements. It happens because our art and our philosophy inspires our science and our engineering. We are what we dreamed we could be.

You are sitting on top of a very large mountain of human achievement in the humanities. Law, government, peace, prosperity, human rights, ethics. These things all spring from the humanities. They were all invented before the scientific method. We would be still living in caves without them.

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Oh god this hurts. The same sloppy arguing. Ok

I was talking about literature. You just expanded it a whole lot, which diffuses the point I was making. I don't think this is a tactic, I just don't think you can focus.

Nonethless, "It happens because our art and our philosophy [1] inspires our science and our engineering [2]" You conveniently assume [1] and [2] are divorced and each lies with two entirely divided castes. They are aspects of the same.

"Law, government, peace, prosperity, human rights, ethics. These things all spring from the humanities"

Oh lord. Law is from human nature. Desire for justice/fairness exists even in monkeys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg

Peace - this comes from humanities? Justify this.

ethics - nothing to do with law apparently, see above.

prosperity - nothing to do with science, right.

I've had enough of this crap. You can't debate, you don't want to look for common understanding. It's a kind of arrogance.