[88840-8855]

this is rather to limit economic exposure to a war that the US is planning. as now the US war against Russia in the proxy war in Ukraine, Europe and especially Germany will be the main victim.

The US foreign politics is the main evil in the world and the EU is still following the Americans. It is incredible.

We must get rid of all American influence in Europe, ban US tech, ban US military, get rid of the US propaganda, brands, social media.

[jakuboboza]

Rus-Ukr war isnt a Proxy war between USA and Russia. Proxy war requires both parties to support XY forces from behind while here one of the "sides you mention" is active participant showing its own incompetence and destroying prospects of its most vibrant industries and second is Ukraine. Support of NATO for Ukraine is really really tiny in unbiased view.

Right now it is more of a economic war by EU with Russia. But triggered and forced by Russia. It is beyond real how badly Russia prepped this war, Russia doesnt even know what is the end goal. |

Go back to 20 of Feb 4 days before invasion and tell me WHAT IS THE REAL GOAL on Russian side ? IT feels like pre WW1 e-peen lets make a war because of "reasons" without any real goal.... but even at that time they had more realistic casus belli and any goal.

[_kbh_]

> We must get rid of all American influence in Europe, ban US tech, ban US military, get rid of the US propaganda, brands, social media.

I'm sure Russia would love this. Fortunately the rest of the world is sane enough to see this war for what it is and not fall for what the Russians want the world to think it is about.

If anything this war will lead to more US basses in the EU not less.

[actionfromafar]

Here I thought the Ukraine was the main victim and Russia the perpetrator.

[sharikous]

Look into it. It's definitely not a black and white aggression war. It definitely has elements of a proxy war that conveniently weakens both Russia and Europe

[_kbh_]

> Look into it. It's definitely not a black and white aggression war. It definitely has elements of a proxy war that conveniently weakens both Russia and Europe

In what way is it not a black and white war of aggression?.

[actionfromafar]

So basically, Russia is the abusive ex-husband who says:

"Look what your new friends made me do to you!"

"Now lie still while I rape you"

[trasz]

It is a very black and white aggression war. It’s just that the fighting parties also have other interests.

[88840-8855]

Ukraine is just collateral damage in this proxy war. Not more.

[SassyThrowaway]

It's a "collateral" damage to lives of 40+ million people, which I suspect many people find a tad too high to treat it just as a statistic.

[trasz]

The actual collateral damage will be the Russians. Ukraine will get better, meanwhile Russia is unlikely to survive in its current shape - and when Moscow gets cut off from from easy money from parasitizing on its colonies, it will crash terribly - much worse than in 1990, because back then Russia still had allies; now even China doesn’t want to cooperate; it complies with sanctions and is dropping strategic investments.

In a way, this is a proxy war - against China, at Russia. Western response means Russia has no future with the West and has to pivot to China. This would give China advantage, so I think it’s unlikely for US to preserve Russia in a shape that could be useful to China as an ally.

[thehappypm]

War between who, Russia and…?

[dep_b]

I hope you at least got paid for this

[88840-8855]

Are you being paid for your opinion?

[pentae]

If you're going to lowkey troll, you should at least back up your points.

[Lapsa]

yes, indeed it is incredible