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by forensic 5323 days ago
Your mistake is thinking that school produced those scientists. They produced themselves despite school, not because of it, and they thrived because Germany invested heavily higher education and research. Science in Germany was due to German philosophy, higher education, and lots of funds.

Universities in 1900 are indistinguishable from what we have now. In 1900 they were still targeted at the wealthy and unusually talented. Now they are just extended sunday school. Obedience training for adults.
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pnathan 5323 days ago
Citations, please!

You are saying these things with massive assumptions!

edit for clarification: you are not using any sort of proof mechanism in your statements. No data, no citations.

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forensic 5323 days ago
Wouldn't it be great if you had a personal research assistant who would spend hours looking stuff up for you?
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pnathan 5323 days ago
Wouldn't it be great if you had a conversation with someone who backed up their assertions instead of expecting belief?
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forensic 5323 days ago
I don't expect belief. I expect effort.

I imagine you doing the rounds at dinner parties raising your finger shouting "Citation needed!" over and over again.

Google: gatto, liberal education, conformity, obedience. My argument is a point of view, not a research study.

Gatto cites Dewey, for the record.

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pnathan 5323 days ago
No, I expect the asserter to reference things that back their view up if they want me to believe it. Especially if the view is not obvious and controversial.

If your point of view has no data behind it that you are willing to reference besides a singular biased point of information, then I have no reason to believe you. (Hint, if you are read in an area, it's trivial to reference such things off the top of your head).

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forensic 5323 days ago
The cry for data on a topic like this is pointless. It's a point of view informed by my own experiences and observations as well as reading thousands of philosophers, scientists, educators, theologians, statistics, anecdotes, discussions, and so on.

I'm presenting my synthesized point of view based on a lifetime of contemplation. You're trying to cut it down on the merit of one or two citations.

Read the wikipedia article on "liberal education" and compare it to your experiences at public school. That is my citation.

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