[woweoe]

In my opinion the pandemic era saw a significant increase in employee headcount, and now we are seeing a "correction" of the employee headcount.

But I think the bigger point is that venture capital funding is really drying up and investors aren't investing as much. A lot of the market is basically "taking a loan to cover a loan that covers a loan.." and the market is no longer giving out loans as easily due to higher interest rates.

[rishav_sharan]

> In my opinion the pandemic era saw a significant increase in employee headcount

I am interested in hearing why you think that. I would have thought that the whole "Great Resignation" theme of the two pandemic years would suggest that people are instead looking to move away from the established companies.

[JumpCrisscross]

> the whole "Great Resignation" theme of the two pandemic years would suggest that people are instead looking to move away from the established companies

That period was characterised by easy money boosting the job pool relative to applicants. Employees had heightened mobility and many capitalised on the opportunity. That window is now closing, with firms focussing on survival over growth.

[indymike]

Even if unemployment rates triple, we're still not in an employer's market. Companies will lay off to survive, but there will be jobs for laid off to land in.

[JumpCrisscross]

> Even if unemployment rates triple, we're still not in an employer's market

Broadly, no. We had 0.6 unemployed per job opening in May [1]. So a ~70% increase in unemployment would have neutralised the market.

We saw a 5% MoM reduction in job openings in June [2]; if that continued into July then the ratio is currently about 0.7. Still tight! But tightening, and with all signs pointing to a neutral market before Halloween. (I said the "window is now closing." Not that it’s closed.)

[1] https://www.bls.gov/charts/job-openings-and-labor-turnover/u...

[2] https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/job-offers

[indymike]

The JOLTS numbers you are using would indicate a neutral market at 6 unemployed per open job, not at 1 (5% unemployment is considered fully employed). I use these numbers regularly in estimating advertising costs and market demand in my business day to day (I own are recruiting tech company). The reason for optimism is simple: workers are aging out of the market, and young people are starting to work on average 4.9 years later in life - so the worker side is scarce and so scarce that the employer side can shrink with effectively little effect on employment, other than fluctuations in wages.

Today's report from DOL is unsurprising (unemployment went down in July).