[tablespoon]

> 1000% agree. The whole narrative to non-stop discuss vaping as opposed to smoking is being pushed by the super powerful cigarette companies. Vaping MIGHT be harmful to a person but cigarettes are 100% CONFIRMED to be terrible for humans.

Huh? Is anyone significant actually saying vaping is so harmful that you should smoke cigarettes instead?

IIRC, the actual health issue with vaping was that it had been presented as so "harmless" that, after significant long-term declines, nonsmoking teens started taking up nicotine use again in large numbers.

[beckingz]

The tobacco companies.

[incrudible]

Which tobacco company is not also in the vape business?

[AndrewUnmuted]

Hello there. I just want you to know, I have upvoted every comment I've read from you so far.

Keep up the good work, you're doing the reading, thinking for yourself, and questioning the lies so many people here spew uncontrollably.

[tablespoon]

> The tobacco companies.

That's not really an answer. Do you have an actual example?

[hedora]

Here's one that made news 12 hours ago. Phillip Morris just hired Holman out of the FDA:

> It's unclear when Holman had recused himself, but it appears to have been less than four months ago. On March 18, Holman signed off on the third generation of PMI's heated, smokeless tobacco product, IQOS.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/07/fdas-top-tobacco-sci...

The article mentions a second recent incident like this.

It's pretty common practice to "passively" wait for a regulator to take a questionable action on your behalf, wait the minimal recusal period, and then hire them to "work" for you for some large multiple of typical market compensation.

[tablespoon]

> Here's one that made news 12 hours ago. Phillip Morris just hired Holman out of the FDA:

That's just Phillip Morris hiring a guy, it's not Phillip Morris saying vaping is safer than cigarettes so it's healthier to smoke.

[hedora]

OK, now go look at the marketing for the product they bribed this guy to approve.

[collegeburner]

lmao no. they're on board with vapes as a safer option bc it pulls them out of the long decline to nothing they was on

[cyberbanjo]

Anecdote, but a few weeks ago I was on an Amtrak commuter train waiting to get off, and a bunch (half dozen) of smokers waiting near the exit with me unanimously agreed that smoking and vaping are comparably harmful, and some even went to say that vaping is worse.

Selection bias, though, and one of them claimed to be a 2-3 pack a day, for decades.