[rvz]

> As of the end of Q2, we have converted approximately 75% of our Bitcoin purchases into fiat currency. Conversions in Q2 added $936M of cash to our balance sheet.

Like I said before, a year ago, they are not looking to HODL their bitcoin. They are here to make money out of the hype in the form of a pump and dump and psychological manipulation. Q2 suggests they sold at around $45K to $31K. [0]

As predicted and expected, these Bitcoin maximalists and crypto bros got played like a piano.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27177780

[DarmokJalad1701]

> They are here to make money out of the hype in the form of a pump and dump and psychological manipulation

They sold at around their carrying value of around $30k. Seems like they had a stop-loss set. Strange way to pump and dump ...

[throwawayjsgrid]

No stop loss; they likely sold to make FCF positive.

[DarmokJalad1701]

BTC transactions don't count towards FCF. They are accounted under a different line item "Cash Flows From Investing Activities".

[smoldesu]

Yep. I don't even know who to feel bad for, either. People were (rightfully) calling this from Day-1, it's pretty amazing that people are oblivious enough to fall for it anyways.

[toomuchtodo]

It’s a net benefit that Tesla converts cryptohype into transportation electrification progress by way of magic tokens and fiat.

Those Bitcoin gains might have paid for many a Suoercharger stall!

[gmm1990]

You could argue the increased hype they brought to bitcoin offset any carbon offset there cars have produced

[toomuchtodo]

Think in systems. Perhaps short term, but also manufacturing capacity and an expanding fast dc charging network builds the machine that builds the machine.

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/07/15/tesla-cumulative-sales-...

[smoldesu]

No, I think long-term these devices will still have pretty poor carbon footprints since they're still packing massive, disposable Lithium Ion batteries, and continue to have such poor aftermarket values. Coupled with the treadmill of new features they're offering, I have a hard time taking your statement at face value.

[toomuchtodo]

Okay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The market doesn’t care how we feel. People want cars. Sell them electric cars. Tesla can’t build them fast enough to meet demand. Those vehicle batteries (along with stationary storage batteries) will be recycled at end of life by Redwood Materials into newer, better batteries in 5-15 years. These cars will never burn petroleum, and will get cleaner as the grid gets cleaner. The price of refined petroleum will stay high because of no slack in refinery capacity, as capital won’t invest in an industry without a growth future. This further drives consumers to EVs. These are all facts.

Opinion: I can sell my 2021 Model Y for $15k more than I paid for it, and my 2018 Model S for $20k less than I paid for it with 100k miles on it. That’s fairly good value preservation imho.

[gmm1990]

Yeah an electric car future is better than an oil car future. Thinking broader though they still have a large initial carbon impact and any future that depends on cars isn’t really sustainable. I think it takes too much focus off reducing dependence on cars entirely.

[spicymaki]

Exactly, the problem is incorrectly framed ICE vs. EV. It’s not the type of car, but our lifestyle that is destroying the planet.

[Sentino]

We need to be smarter about co2.

We don't price in the real cost of Bitcoin.

Every co2 we put out there without it doing specific work before like smelting or transporting critical goods is co2 we need to remove which we wouldn't otherwise.

It sure is better for Tesla to make cars out of it, calling this whole story a net benefit is just Missleasing.

[remarkEon]

I’m not really following what you’re saying here. Should BTC be more expensive because of the relative CO2 impact?

[KptMarchewa]

No, it's value should be 0 because climate externalities are higher than any potential non -speculative value it can provide.

[Sentino]

It's not hard to follow. We have currently extreme weathers around the globe.

BTC creates ton of co2.

Co2 is the problem.

We can't afford btc

[pcdoodle]

Bitcoin should not even be on the radar when it comes to co2.

[v0idzer0]

No sane person is looking to hodl anything. You buy investments when you expect they will go up and sell them when you expect them to go down. I’m not sure why you’d feel you predicted something here. Everyone knew they’d protect their investments.

[randomhodler84]

Thanks, sanity is overrated anyway.