[DiggyJohnson]

I think your problem then is with the current state of progressive politics in the USA, because the lack of care for labor rights, etc. (you provided a good list) is lacking at every level of society and class. Ask a working class progressive what they care about right now and you probably won’t hear “worker’s rights.”

Obviously the Overton Window works in both directions. All I’m saying is that MSNBC seems to track generally the state of liberal-progressive political discourse, even if it isn’t the left-leaning progressive discourse you’d hope it would be.

Hopefully that makes sense. Appreciate your reply.

[V__]

I would agree with carbadtraingood and your characterization and therefore agree that MSNBC is liberal leaning, which in the US might as well be left-leaning. I think it was a misunderstanding of definitions. Thank you both for your replies.

[DiggyJohnson]

Cheers, and I agree. These sorts of conversations are most valuable in reminding us that these sorts of discussions do not need to devolve to stubborn disagreement. Happy days

[carbadtraingood]

Yeah, that makes sense to me.

I think I probably care more about defining "left" vs "liberal" then most here in the States.

And I'd agree, as much as I want it to be the case that we see more worker solidarity, it's not the thing most Americans seem to think about. Even if they have concerns about current policies. For instance, Americans could call for a general strike as a response to the Roe v Wade decision. But the idea of using worker power in that way seems quite alien here.