[taylodl]

But almost nobody regrets it.

Yeah, no.

Gen X-er here - born before Roe v Wade. My own mother told me she'd have aborted me had it been legal. She felt trapped into getting married to someone she ultimately didn't love. I witnessed several domestic violence issues growing up. The "good news" is I wasn't alone - I knew other kids that had similar home issues. It was way more widespread than people let on.

This whole narrative of I had children unexpectedly at 18 and it was a miracle that changed my life - yeah it happens, but it's the rare case. That's not typically how that ball rolls.

The reality is it really sucks to be an unwanted child. Let them live, my ass. It's more like let them suffer.

[Grustaf]

You are not actually saying that she regretted having you, only that at the time she would have killed you if she could. It's obviously a horrible thing to say, to even feel, but it's different from what we are discussing.

[taylodl]

Let me make it clear - she regretted having me. Those are the cold hard facts. If she could have aborted me and had another child later when she was prepared to have that child then she may have loved that child. As it is, there's a very dark downside to forcing unwanted children into this world that isn't being discussed.

[Grustaf]

> forcing unwanted children into this world

This turn of phrase, which I've seen used often, is bizarre and demonic. It implies that the default for children is to be killed.

[taylodl]

No. Forcing children to live in Hell is demonic. Unwanted children live a Hellish existence. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Grustaf]

The issue is that these children live “in hell”, not that they are alive at all. The solution to potential future suffering is not to kill people.

And needless to say, you can’t project your experience on every one.

[taylodl]

Nor can you project your naive thoughts of rainbows and unicorn farts on everyone living in Hell. It's extremely offensive. This is why nobody talks about it - tone deaf people like you trying to pooh pooh people's experiences and what they've watched their friends experience. Sorry. We're fighting back.