[taylodl]

Let me make it clear - she regretted having me. Those are the cold hard facts. If she could have aborted me and had another child later when she was prepared to have that child then she may have loved that child. As it is, there's a very dark downside to forcing unwanted children into this world that isn't being discussed.

[Grustaf]

> forcing unwanted children into this world

This turn of phrase, which I've seen used often, is bizarre and demonic. It implies that the default for children is to be killed.

[taylodl]

No. Forcing children to live in Hell is demonic. Unwanted children live a Hellish existence. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Grustaf]

The issue is that these children live “in hell”, not that they are alive at all. The solution to potential future suffering is not to kill people.

And needless to say, you can’t project your experience on every one.

[taylodl]

Nor can you project your naive thoughts of rainbows and unicorn farts on everyone living in Hell. It's extremely offensive. This is why nobody talks about it - tone deaf people like you trying to pooh pooh people's experiences and what they've watched their friends experience. Sorry. We're fighting back.

[Grustaf]

And I'm not doing that. I don't doubt that you had a rough childhood, your mother is clearly an unfit parent. I still maintain that preemptively killing children because they might end up in bad families is not the way to go. A working social safety net, adoption, financial support for those in need are the humane way to solve it.

[taylodl]

Here's the thing - women getting an abortion is a condemnation of our system. We had the opportunity to do all those things you suggest. We failed. We had all the motivation in the world to make it happen - save the children. Provide a viable alternative. We failed. How you think continuing to fail in solving these problems and then forcing women to have unwanted children is going to lead to anything good - actually it tells me you're most likely to be evil and simply aren't aware of it since you're accustomed to thinking of yourself as a good guy. Lucky for you I think Hanlon's Razor applies.