[kinghtown]

Counter point: I have 17 inch biceps with a 145 kg bench press. About 16% fat BUT currently not trying to lose weight. Vegan, too. I just want to stress that being carnivore is unnecessary to strength and fitness (let alone just living well.)

[belter]

Being carnivore is unnecessary to strength and fitness, but many Vegans show important deficiencies on:

- Vitamin B12

- Vitamin D

- Zinc

Most vegan food products available in supermarkets, if you notice the labels, include B12 and Vitamin D supplements at a minimum.

"Top5 Nutrient Deficiencies On A Plant Based Diet": https://www.naturespath.com/en-us/blog/the-top-5-deficiencie...

[jossclimb]

A majority are deficient in B12 (cobalamin) due to over farming of soil (the main source of B12). The reason meat eaters then to be less deficient is due to livestock being injected with B12.

Zinc is very easy to get outside of meat products, nuts and oats provide plenty of zinc.

[tluyben2]

Not sure if it's a counter point; people do 'stuff' and attribute 'other stuff that happens' from the 'stuff' they do. I am a vegetarian eating a balanced diet and have no issues bulking up. Just do whatever works and don't bother too many other people with it; keto/meatonly/fatonly (yes, I understand these are different things!) people are usually so 'I have discovered god!' and keep telling people about it who are absolutely not going to do it. I just eat what I like and am happy; no need to tell it to everyone, all the time.

I even recognise one of the poster's nicknames here for trying to push some insane (to me; I would say it will be a fluke of nature if this person gets beyond 65 y/o) meat/fat only diets on HN.

[kinghtown]

For me, the carnivore diet is obnoxious at best. It’s ethically in the red by a lot let alone being unnecessary to be a manly man or whatever the hell it is these guys think they’re achieving on a red meat only diet. WHO advises less meat if anything. You guys should all be in the range between mediterranean lifestyle to vegan. Eating only meat is nasty.

[eixiepia]

Counter point: For me, vegan diet is not only obnoxious, but also dangerous. Years as a vegan wrecked my health and permanently my teeth. Carnivore was the way out of this downward spiral for me.

[decodebytes]

Sorry to hear that. I won't try to fault your experience, just state its not a given this is the case for everyone. I have been a vegan for 16 years now. I would say I am in excellent health. Each year I run several 100 mile mountain races along side training all year (running, swimming, hiking and biking), and will be attempting 258 miles non stop race for 5-6 days in the middle of the British winter 2023 (the montane spine race), so I must be doing something right. I very rarely get sick. I also manage a large team of engineers at work and have a young family.

[kinghtown]

Most likely you have no idea what you’re doing swinging from one fad diet to another.

[eixiepia]

If it makes you feel better you're welcome to believe that, but I'm sorry to inform you that this is not the case. However, my good health after many years on the carnivore diet is enough for me, I don't have the need to convince anyone.

[hypertele-Xii]

> I just eat what I like and am happy

An unacceptably selfish attitude in 2022 where industrial-scale mass production of meat foods are literally making our planet unlivable at alarming rates.

As a conscious human being within civilized society you have a responsibility to do the right thing, even if it means taking on a little discomfort in the short term.

Your happiness has less priority than our survival as a species.

[caracustard]

Diets are not a "little discomfort in the short term" and treating them in such a way is a slippery slope to things that neither you nor i would be happy to observe. To adopt a particular diet means to be reliant on a specific set of foods, which is not feasable. Diets are also geographical and are shaped by the conditions that those who follow the diet have to live in. It's not as easy as "just don't eat meat".

[kybernetyk]

>Your happiness has less priority than our survival as a species.

Said the next Hitler/Mao/Stalin...

[hypertele-Xii]

If veganism, ecology, and environmentalism are to be associated with genocidal megalomania, god help us survive ourselves.

[blfr]

Eating a high-protein diet is the easiest way to stay satiated without overeating. Carnivore is actually more difficult than necessary but fits the bill.

However, nature dominates nurture almost every time. So a good hormonal profile is of course more important than diet. I know guys who eat trash but maintain sub-10% bf physique and deadlift 300 kilos. They do it with some genetic luck and steroids.

[kinghtown]

I’m already on a high protein diet. I just happen to be vegan as well. My breakfast smoothie alone was about 50 grams of protein. I had a generous peanut butter sandwich (about 20 grams protein with my fancy bread) about an hour later.

The thing is, I’m not comparing myself to Brian Shaw or Larry Wheels or anyone else eating 5,000-10,000 calories a day with steroids.

[phantompeace]

The guys you’re referring to - how much of their “genetic luck” is down to the fact that they’re training constantly, thereby increasing their calorie requirements? You can’t deadlift 300kg without some serious work and dedication, steroids or no steroids, so it makes sense those types of people would be able to scoff down anything for fuel. Being able to deadlift 300kg means they’re also doing some other heavy compounds lifts too which further increases their metabolism and thus, increases the amount of calories they need.

[nradov]

Power lifters don't train constantly. It's nothing like endurance or skill sports where training itself is almost a full-time job. The actual number of hours spent actively lifting is typically pretty low. They spend more time on active recovery and nutrition (and sometimes PEDS).

[freiherr]

Interesting thing is that in my case despite doing over 300kg squat and deadlift in competition prep at over 120kg my caloric zero was about 3500kcal, on 4000kcal I would gain fat too fast. This hasnt changes from pre-carnivore times for me. Steroids free.

[ravenstine]

> Carnivore is actually more difficult than necessary but fits the bill.

Um, define difficult?

[kybernetyk]

Is Tren vegan? ;)