[hitovst]

There could be. There absolutely will be pretenses of it if the slavers think it will work to herd us in the direction they want us to go.

Slavers don't have points or principles, only pretenses meant to enable their crimes.

Freedom is for the brave. There are only individual rights. They want you frightened collectivists, so you can be divided, and conquered, and you will forfeit essential liberty for the illusion of security.

Just remember, safety is not possible without freedom. Whatever their pretense, assure them you won't be willing slaves, and then sit back and enjoy the show.

[walkhour]

I'm sympathetic to your spirit but the Romans slaughtered whole tribes because they thought they weren't tame enough to be enslaved.

I fear the same would happen, and the graveyard would be filled with the brave, while the ones who gave in would continue to live as slaves.

[hitovst]

Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.

Here's the thing about freedom, Earth, and humanity.. there is only nation that exists for the sole purpose of protecting the inalienable rights of the individual. The brave who would be free should live only there. The cowards who would be slaves should live literally anywhere else. As long as slaves don't go to the lone place for those who would be free, and try to eliminate the option, then time will tell whether or not it is a good idea.

Putting all of your eggs in one basket is dumb. Let the cowboys ignore the slavers' pretenses, and the fearful surrender for what at first seems like a less frightening fiction if they insist.

Should the aliens come, and there is resisting to be done, it would be done best by free men and women.. though, like a supernova, or Persians at the hot gates, someday our days are up. We can betray ourselves, or not. As always, the issue is force. Make your choice, and don't force others to go along with it.

[ASalazarMX]

> there is only nation that exists for the sole purpose of protecting the inalienable rights of the individual

I didn't know we were talking about France here :D

[ASalazarMX]

Tell that to the animals we raise and cage for food. They'll likely take the first opportunity to be free, but it's not in their hands to decide that. They're completely in our hands, no matter if they like it or not. Humans have only traveled to the moon, yet in a few century developed weapons that would wipe an entire city. A civilization that has achieved interstellar travel could be advanced enough to blow up Mercury to send a message: "Do you want to be our slaves, or do you want humanity to end?".

[hitovst]

That's an easy question to answer for both free man, and slave.

[ASalazarMX]

Good luck getting every "free man" to agree, or even everyone in your immediate circle. Real life is not an X-Men issue where Captain America is unwavering, uncompromising and always victorious; sometimes good generals call for strategic retreats, sometimes the sensible option is living to fight another day.

You don't know how true is your manly bravado until your life, and the lives of those you love, are on the line and defenseless. I say that as someone who has lived in cities of Mexico where organized crime rules with impunity, but anyone who has seen war, not from the drone cameras or humvees but from their own homes, would tear you a new one for being so naive.

[hitovst]

Individuals decide for one. It's the slavers/slaves that want to decide for, & force, other people. If individuals decide to work together, or not, that is their right.

>You don't know how true is your manly bravado until your life, and the lives of those you love, are on the line and defenseless.

Freedom is the only possible security. Everything else is a fantasy. Sincerely, good luck with your principles. Please allow for others who think/believe differently, and do not try to sabotage them. As always, force is the issue. You're welcome to persuade, not to coerce.

[ASalazarMX]

You know what? Please ping me when you build Rapture at the bottom of the sea, I've always wanted to try one of those fancy plasmids.

[badosu]

Reminds me of GPT-3

[pessimizer]

Individualism is an illusion enabled by capitalism. Humans are hive animals, a truly independent person would be dead in days; no heat, no shelter, no servants. Instead, people play independent with pockets and bank accounts stuffed with government promises.

[hitovst]

We should let the silly individualists persist in their delusions in one lone location, right? Or, not even allow the one?

If not, why not?