[refurb]

Scientists don't abuse or cause distress or panic in animals, just FYI. There are very strict rules around it.

[shkkmo]

Simply not true. There are some rules to limit the amount of abuse or distress for some types on animal, but that doesn't prevent anywhere near all of it.

[refurb]

Ive done animal experiments. All the rats were unconscious.

[shkkmo]

I've assisted with animal experiments as well, they were not unconscious.

[refurb]

Then you’re aware of the standards? Any discomfort has to be justified by the value of the data?

And generally if you can relieve discomfort then it’s a requirement?

The fact you said “limit the abuse” makes me think you aren’t that familiar. No “abuse” is allowed.

[shkkmo]

Just be because abuse has been justified doesn't make it not abuse.

[LargoLasskhyfv]

Why do I have to think of the Apes, Dogs, and cats with a plug in their skull, for neuroscience? What about the countless bunnies and dogs, used for 'dermatologically tested' label for cosmetics, wet wipes, whatever, by rubbing that stuff in their eyes?

One strict ruler up yours!