[shkkmo]

Simply not true. There are some rules to limit the amount of abuse or distress for some types on animal, but that doesn't prevent anywhere near all of it.

[refurb]

Ive done animal experiments. All the rats were unconscious.

[shkkmo]

I've assisted with animal experiments as well, they were not unconscious.

[refurb]

Then you’re aware of the standards? Any discomfort has to be justified by the value of the data?

And generally if you can relieve discomfort then it’s a requirement?

The fact you said “limit the abuse” makes me think you aren’t that familiar. No “abuse” is allowed.

[shkkmo]

Just be because abuse has been justified doesn't make it not abuse.