[sammalloy]

> Downtown as a healthy fully occupied business district is dead.

You’re right, and it’s been true for a long time. Remember, it took the city approximately 30 years to remove the Embarcadero Freeway, even though its removal was first proposed in 1963. And the only reason they fully executed on this plan was because the damage from the Loma Prieta earthquake forced their hand in 1989.

[inamberclad]

Not to mention that the Embarcadero freeway was a horrific blight on the walkability of the city and our use of the waterfront. Now that it's gone, absolutely nobody misses it. The same might be said in the future about revitalizing downtown around residential life, but that's not enough to get a city to take major action. I don't know what my point is here, except that positive change can be slow.