[jkingsman]

Agreed. I'm trying really, really hard to be hyper-aware of the instinct to react to "your supposedly original thoughts are actually sourced from this schema" with "NO THEY AREN'T!" but I feel like it's not all that difficult to critically interrogate the sources of your own desires if you have the privilege and time to step back and think about those things. I vaguely resent the implication that wanting things is so rarely coming from endogenous desire of self-fulfillment for purely self-motivated reasons rather than sourced from some other source of power or peers.

[libertine]

>I vaguely resent the implication that wanting things is so rarely coming from endogenous desire of self-fulfillment for purely self-motivated reasons rather than sourced from some other source of power or peers.

You have no way of knowing what is truly endogenous desire, from what's not - even if you perceive it, after some reflection, that it's endogenous... the reality it that it just might not be.

A chunk of us is a product of what surrounded and surrounds us. It's the human condition.

So I maybe the exercise you should do is to accept your humanity? The fact that you are human and that's doesn't have to be a bad thing, to the point of being resented about it. You can see it as a constrain, but it can also be a source of freedom once you accept it.

[TedDoesntTalk]

> I vaguely resent

Why do you resent it? If you have the wisdom to analyze your desires and ignore the exogenous ones, or at least observe them at a distance, then perhaps this article doesn’t apply to you?

Also, I’m envious and have a mimetic desire to model you :)

[skolskoly]

>Also, I’m envious and have a mimetic desire to model you :)

Well, what is the model then? I would say I roughly understand the sentiment, but if you asked me, I would say that the envy stems from a past positive or negative experience. Being around someone who made you feel "uncool" in comparison, or being perceived as cool and getting recognition.

That's Pavlovian right? You experience an emotion caused by similarities to a past stimulus. Sure, the emotion is triggered by a model of reality. That's pattern recognition though, not "role-modelling." You didn't learn your fear of snakes on TV. That shit's hard wired. (Well, for most people, if you have it. Kind of a weird example because it can be very unconscious. Until you find yourself spontaneously jumping at a garden hose.)

I do think that Burgis' model applies to fad-following behaviour, and does a good job of explaining trend-followers. The example of wearing clothes because you want to look like the model makes sense. Makes sense, but is it true? Do most people experience this? I don't think so. My problem is that you can over apply the theory to situations where there is probably no model, but you can fabricate one if you try hard enough.