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by __B_B__ 1488 days ago
Would you consider 100 trillion dollars spent on a research base 30 millions miles away which is going to tell you how to make better insulation and grooved pavement to be wisely invested?
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That wasn't the argument. It was on whether the ISS provided "nothing" of value. There's also a huge difference in value proposition when the ISS is much cheaper and can perform a large number of the same experiments which can benefit others from a technology standpoint.
...And provides a fallback point in terms of existential threats to the Earth biosphere?

Some things no finite money supply can trump the value of.

Earth is so much better place to live that only scenario where I see us actually needing Mars or other off-planet habitation is something like moon sized object hitting earth or maybe rogue blackhole. That is total apocalyptic destruction of planetary body itself.

Mars sucks, and Earth will never be as bad. And anything we can use to live on Mars can be done on Earth, without the involved transportation costs. And self-sufficient colony is just pure sci-fi.

I think that depends on if someone believes we should be expanding, or that the human race provides some value that's worth preserving.
Those that feel otherwise are free to vote with their feet, their wallets, and their ballots.

So far, the "human species has value" faction has been winning for.. well, forever, since we aren't extinct. Yet.

> So far, the "human species has value" faction has been winning for.. well, forever, since we aren't extinct. Yet.

No, it was the "my life and the life of my family has value". The human specie wins as byproduct of that

That's basically what I was going for. We have subjective value and mostly self value. I wonder if we provide any objective net benefit when looking from non human centric perspective.
Looking at it from an objective, systemic approach, you and yours have zero possibility of survival of an Earth biosphere destabilizing event.

A chance can be acquired. If you're going to hide behind the "greedy genes" train of thought, you will need to look elsewhere for a justification on why this would be bad.

Well, if we manage to spread off planet, we'll be spreading Earth's biosphere as well, which if the biosphere were capable of expressing an opinion, would likely approve.