If a Xinjiang “education camp”, where regular people are jailed and tortured, reminds you of Guantanamo, imagine how much more brutal the likes of Chinese Guantanamo would be, places where dissidents, falling political rivals of the current leadership or those deemed the state’s enemies are imprisoned.
Completely different scale, they are a government perpetrating genocide on their own citizens, could go on and on how they aren't the same.
But the top photo of prisoner with hood and handcuffs and brutish looking military/security look very similar to some of the gross photos we saw of abuse at gitmo.
Might be me putting too much emotion onto it but the guard with the bat looks like a smirk, like how the criminals at gitmo enjoyed abusing and taking those photos.
Ugh. The pictures in that article are horrendous. The "patriots" will say (and in fact do say -- see the linked article about Lyndie England) that the real crime is not the acts committed but making them public. The same is true of course in China with Tiananmen Square or in Russia with the current military operation.
It's funny how self-declared patriots seem to specialize in making the rest of the world hate and revile their country.
I am you're right ;( Sad that you can confuse those.
the photos from gitmo aren't nearly as bad, probably because there aren't many. Most I've seen are just those through the fence photos, again looks too similar to China's concentration camps.
The torture seems similar, but the scale is completely different. In Xinjiang, it’s been at least 1.2 million people making up a sizable portion of all Uighur Muslims. That’s compared to around 800 people in Guantanamo Bay (and only about 40 remaining there).
Guantanamo Bay is completely horrible and should never have happened, but it wasn’t genocide.
Can you point me to the documents describing systemic (EDIT: Systemic, as opposed to a crime committed by a rogue prison guard) torture in those “camps”?
Guantanamo is indeed different, because it was only used for people to extract information from - vast majority of “war against terrorism” victims have been simply killed instead.
1. I'm confused. Your original request was, "Can you point me to the documents describing systemic torture in those 'camps'?" Clearly the BBC article outlines fairly substantial evidence of systemic torture in Chinese-run prison camps in Xinjiang. Would you not agree?
2. It's possible for one to criticize the human rights abuses in American prisons--which absolutely exist, I agree--while simultaneously criticizing the human rights abuses in Chinese prisons. If we must make a comparison of scale, the Chinese ones seem far, far worse, of course. But I don't think we need make a comparison; this thread was about Chinese prison camps, and you asked for evidence of systemic torture (which I provided); that you then choose to bring up "similar" behavior in western countries is...strange.
It's almost like you are trying to change the subject, repeatedly and unsuccessfully.
>systemic (EDIT: Systemic, as opposed to a crime committed by a rogue prison guard) torture
having systemically rogue prison guards (say because they never really get punished and everybody aware about it, and frequently even with tacit approval) is a form of systemic torture. Have been this way in USSR/Russia for example.