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> In 2021, New Yorkers filed the most complaints about engine idling since 2018: 13,489 complaints. The police issued 75 summons in response to complaints, data shows. > Specifically, police issued 14 summonses for excessive vehicle noise — the most between 2018 and the present, a period in which the police issued a total of 26 excessive vehicle noise summonses.

There is one dude who drives past my window on 6th Ave, every single morning, at 7 AM, with an engine so loud it rattles glass ten stories up. That should be 365.24 summons/year, _for that guy_.

Until the cops choose to enforce the laws, nothing will fucking change. I'm thrilled the government is claiming to care here, but until anyone chooses to have these people hanged from the yardarm^W^W^W^W nothing will fucking change.

By the way, did you know it is _illegal_ to honk your horn in NYC outside of an emergency? Neither do the the people honking constantly outside my window! Why doesn't the NYPD just fine all of these people every single day until it stops? They could fund the entire department! But they simply don't care.

Many of my friends dream happily of enforcing vigilante justice for the loud motorists. I personally would be thrilled if this guy:

>But Pennachio conceded he has modified four of the 11 cars he owns to enhance the rumbling of the engine, as a matter of pleasure, not safety. “Just to know you’re in a beefier man’s car,” he said.

was evicted from the city. He is a horrible person with no redeeming characteristics and doesn't deserve to live in society.

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I don't know how your windows are made, but you can't really use glass to gauge the sound level of noise. If it is in anyway loose, it acts like a very rigid speaker diaphragm. It moves back and forth with any sound, since glass basically doesn't flex. What you're actually measuring is your own ability to perceive its movement.

As far as fining motorists for horn usage, if it works like everywhere else in the US there is no way they could ever actually make good on the fines. As long even a small percentage of people requested a court hearing (doesn't matter if it is a jury trial or something else) the police officer would basically spend 1 day writing fines, the remaining days in the year just sitting in court.

I'm unsure though, maybe NYC has a provision allowing it to issue fines you can't contest.

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> As far as fining motorists for horn usage, if it works like everywhere else in the US there is no way they could ever actually make good on the fines.

Confiscate their cars, problem solved.

[tekknik]

> I'm unsure though, maybe NYC has a provision allowing it to issue fines you can't contest.

Fairly certain such a scheme would be illegal.

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Does due process apply in the US to just fines? My understanding is that due process only applies when the government intends to deprive you of life, liberty, or property. I don't think a fine paid in currency falls in those categories.

For example I've gotten parking tickets that had "automatic" hearings with no judge if you requested one. Unsurprisingly, they tended to find in favor of the government.

[sagarm]

Get it covered under civil asset forfeiture somehow. If our rights are going to be trampled anyway, might as well be some social benefit.

[bluedino]

> By the way, did you know it is _illegal_ to honk your horn in NYC outside of an emergency?

I had a next door neighbor, someone picked their kid up from school every morning about 7:00am. Every morning, the car would pull in to the driveway between our houses and lay on the horn until the kid came out.