[Feriti]

So what are real use cases in your opinion?

Something which really need crypto/Blockchain and is really trustworthy?

Something which doesn't break the trust Anker of a Blockchain by having any dependency outside of a Blockchain.

[abxytg]

"Something which doesn't break the trust Anker of a Blockchain by having any dependency outside of a Blockchain."

Only the critics look for this type of weird ideological purity. the rest of us just want somewhere to use the value we create.

[Feriti]

I'm totally lost on your statement.

So you try to use this tech for tech sake?

Independent if there is already an existing solution?

A project is trying to add Blockchain technology into a project I'm working with. Just that the Blockchain is owned by some company and that company was publicly asking people I don't know if they are able and motivated to operate a node for them.

This for example sounds way more complex than just creating a company which has the purpose of being the trust Anker, implemented with technology like CA, contracts etc.

[arcticbull]

> Only the critics look for this type of weird ideological purity. the rest of us just want somewhere to use the value we create.

Yeah it's called the entire existing global financial network. You're creating things that have no value. Sorry, it's tough to hear, but you've been building baloney. Just building isn't good enough.

[can16358p]

I think we shouldn't try to "retrofit" existing mechanics into blockchain.

It brought a whole new potential of "programmable money" and being able to tokenize everything with users in control and no censoring (at least generally in theory).

We should be building dApps that incentivize sharing/hosting things (e.g. Databases (Bluzelle), files (Sia/Filecoin/IPFS), hosting (again IPFS and perhaps some Tor-like layer that can "talk" to blockchain with any kind of servers), providing data (prediction markets/Augur) which can all coordinate with chains and tokenize any good behavior and sharing resources with incentives at a global level.

Crypto should not be for "web2 and below", it should be for "web3 and above" (sorry for the buzzword, but it really defines the culture that I'm talking about). It should perhaps be a whole new layer on top of TCP/IP, and can coordinate with the regular web at interface points, otherwise being a whole new thing by itself.

But we will need some sort of transition and Metamask on "regular" sites is doing well (but not enough yet) for now.

Most of the examples above have perhaps more efficient applications already, but they are all controlled by other entities. I believe blockchain is more about philosophy of every "thing" being addressable and "actable" using a private key that can sign anything publicly with no authority (which is the most important point), and blockchain is the main application of it, yet.

[Feriti]

Yeah like network of trust with pgp keys.

I'm a big fan of it and joined plenty of signing parties but I will tell you a secret: no one else cares.

No one cares about 2fa, backups, decentralization for decentralization sake, security...

Even the crazy Snowden findings.

[can16358p]

I'd still give some time. People will most likely be more inclined towards crypto when they start understanding having power in their hands instead of authorities is much more important than they envisioned.

I'm seeing it now. All one needs is a heavily corrupted government.