[jka]

Just chiming in to add my support for your arguments. I enjoy fast food and drinking beer, and all the moreso when I know that the former is plant-based and that the latter is brewed in an environmentally-friendly manner. I believe that both of those are possible in ways that make better use of existing agricultural land and that are therefore more scalable in terms of provision-of-nutrition -- although transition can be tricky and involves battling vested interests and long-held opinions and preferences.

I believe your debating partner is presenting false dichotomies regarding resource consumption and distribution.

[spacemanmatt]

> false dichotomies

That's why they create throwaways. They know they're wrong.

[throwaway22032]

The idea that you think there is a "right" and "wrong" here is bizarre. You have a different value system to me, that's all.

Collectivism results in a world I and many people I know don't want to live in, so we reject it.

And yeah, we have to resist it quite harshly, because there are a lot of you guys who'll try and impose it on us via force. Good luck.

[spacemanmatt]

I don't have to be right for you to be wrong. That is your core logical error, here.