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by panick21_ 1516 days ago
One thing I always wanted to see was a close expander cycle areospike. The reason is that expander cycles are heat limited. Areospikes biggest negative is that they require more cooling but if you are heat limited that is an advantage.

You could make the highest possible thrust expander cycle and it would be high efficiency upper stage for early staging as you don't lose efficiency by staging early.

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Another thing that jumps out at me is that its really sad development on the F-1 and J-2 stopped. The mentioned J-2S never flew. The US had this amazing technology stack, F-1 + variants, J-2 + variants and Apollo stack.

Instead of keeping around a Saturn 1B type vehicle with the Apollo on top they threw literally all of that stuff in the trash and started new with Shuttle.

But non of that new Shuttle stuff is better when thinking about it end to end. Because of Shuttle SkyLab could not be saved and because of Shuttle SkyLab 2 wasn't launched.

The US with the Apollo stack and incremental updates could have dominated in space.

A complete and utter mismanagement of the investment that was made during Appollo.

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Regarding the first point, I'm not sure whether aerospike engines can still be considered heat limited. Even in the 90s with the X-33 aerospike spacecraft, heat was not cited as the reason for cancellation. And nowadays material science as progressed by a lot, which resulted in more heat resistant materials, e.g. this one: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/glenn/2022/nasa-s-new-material-...
Maybe I wrote it wrong. Closed expander cycles are heat limited.

Areospike require more cooling then traditional bell designs.

So an areospike epxnader cycle could produce more thurst.

See here for some research:

https://www.phoenix-int.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Param...

Now I understand, thanks.
Perhaps, being pragmatic, tweaking existing designs was not going to put more money into the R&D of Yoyodyne [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoyodyne

I assure you, the same amount of money could have been spent. Just for far better results.
Did you ever look into this? I've been wondering the same now for a couple of years.