[toomuchtodo]

Would be better to incentivize 24 hour grocery stores to provide low cost leases to fast DC charge networks. 20-30 minutes grocery shopping or dining is the new charge experience, versus five minute fill ups at your traditional petrol dispenser. Those who can will charge at home or work most of the time.

[deadmutex]

> 20-30 minutes grocery shopping or dining is the new charge experience

I would say charging at work (during the day, using solar energy exported into the grid). Or at night, capturing off-peak power generation is the new charge experience.

Currently, DC Fast Charging is very expensive to build out and using them frequently reduces battery capacity over time.

[rtlfe]

> I would say charging at work

I don't know the numbers offhand, but Vancouver has a pretty low rate of driving commutes compared to most North American cities.

[toomuchtodo]

I agree, but DC fast charging is mandatory for road trips, and a necessary shim until work, home, and apartment charging infra gets scaled out (a friend has a Tesla but no home charging, they charge at the grocery store once per week, for example).

Colocate level 2 chargers (~10-15kw) where cars dwell for hours at a time, put Fast DC chargers where people need to eat or use a bathroom. Even a 120v outlet would be fine for use cases like long term parking at an airport, which fully charges an EV in ~4-5 days.

[samcheng]

Agreed! As someone who just completed a 2,000 mile electric road trip, it wasn't TOO inconvenient, but we had to choose our dining based on what was near the charger, and we mostly chose our lodging based on who had overnight charging available.

Shopping and meals fit really well into the (traveling) charging use case. I think a cafe would work as well, but I haven't visited a successful "charge cafe" yet.

Of course, the most convenient charging is just plugging it in overnight at home, but travel stops are real use cases, too...

[bluedino]

Let the market decide. Stores or restaurants can put chargers in if they want the customers

[brewdad]

While I agree with the sentiment, I think some subsidization will be needed. Your average Mom and Pop diner can't possibly afford to pay full price to install a charging system. If you wait for the market to build it, they either will never get built or will only be built by the Walmarts of the world, the only ones who can afford it.