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by polotics
1538 days ago
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Super interesting discussion, so sorry I cannot really continue it much! You mentionned Cuba, so I mentionned Cuba, false equivalence yada yada... Still, so far the Buk that fools used to down the Malaysia MH17 is the only actual case we're talking about: misguided killings inside the aforementioned "sphere of control", more like sphere of complete corrupt incompetence if you ask me. All the rest you list is the result of the unprovoked aggression. So far only Israeli airlines have installed flare decoy systems on commercial transport aircrafts, there are technical issues with downing one of those with what you list though. Let us both hope your theories do not have to get tested. |
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This is what western media would have you believe.
However, the Western Ukrainians have been attacking the Eastern Ukrainians for half a decade now, bombing civilians much of the time.
Similar to what happened with the Buk, is the new Kramatorsk situation.
Western Media reports it as Russians killing Ukrainians https://nypost.com/2022/04/10/liz-cheney-says-ukraine-train-...
Russian Media reports it as Western Ukrainians killing Eastern Ukrainians https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/151053-kramatorsk_ra...
However, we know that Russians claim to be only using Iskandar missiles these days. Iskandars are more powerful, more accurate, and significantly longer range.
An Iskandar is distinguishable via the tail fins https://www.defencetalk.com/military/photos/iskander.46333/f...
Tochka-U missiles don't have tail fins in the same position, as they are more centrally located https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPz-Oy6WYAQ07Ko?format=jpg&name=...
Russians fired a Tochka-U at an exercise in '22, and there is alleged film of a Russian unit having a Tochka-U. Whereas, the Tochka-U is the only Ukrainian missile of the type, as they do not have access to Iskandars
What landed at the Kramatorsk train station was clearly a Tochka-U.
So, I guess it is in the realm of possibility that it was either side.