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by Epiphany21
1540 days ago
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What you are describing is a toolkit problem. GTK and Qt are not built on top of the X toolkit intrinsics, which is why apps built with them often have poor or non-existent X resource support. Toolkits designed around Xt have this stuff baked in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Toolkit_Intrinsics Also I'm not asking anyone to support anything. I'm asking you to know the facts first if you're going to bash a specific piece of technology for lacking functionality (which it doesn't, really). X11/Xorg bashing is in vouge, for some odd reason, despite it working pretty well for most *nix users. If you want alternatives like Wayland and GTK to succeed, then contribute to those and make them into a desirable upgrade path for X11 server and toolkit users. Frankly, you have not presented any good arguments that would change my mind on any issue so far. |
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That changes nothing, they have no reason to base themselves on Xt if that doesn't work well for them, which it doesn't for a number of other reasons. Also X was intentionally designed to support multiple toolkits using any underlying library they want, so the designers definitely didn't intend for everyone to use Xt.
>X11/Xorg bashing is in vouge, for some odd reason, despite it working pretty well for most *nix users.
There's no bashing here. These are just the facts. It was a fine thing for the time it was created, it's now obsolete and doesn't work that well anymore. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that. That's the way it goes with things.
>If you want alternatives like Wayland and GTK to succeed
This is a bad way to take the conversation. I don't really care what succeeds. There's no reason to get that invested in any particular solution aimed towards something so fleeting (and lacking in rewards) as the attention of a bunch of random Linux distributions.
But I would say those things have already been largely successful at what they set out to do.
>you have not presented any good arguments that would change my mind on any issue so far.
I don't really care about changing your mind either. If you want to change your mind, that's completely your decision to make. I can only point you towards facts that may illustrate other perspectives.