[ActorNightly]

This is the exact type of bias that Musk is trying to address with his stake in Twitter.

Nothing you stated can be backed up by anything real - all of it is taken directly from leftists twitter headlines that are more concerned with moral grandstanding then facts.

[ClumsyPilot]

The hypocracy is literally backed up by the post he is replying to.

It is not chear to me that this person is left wing, they sinply dislike Musk.

I do not recommend you go around accusing everyone of being left wing - otherwise peiple might start asking:

Is asking that you practice what you preach leftwing these days?

Is being a two-faced lyer a concervative value?

[BuyMyBitcoins]

In the GP’s defense, the most vociferous anti-Elon folks online tend to also identify as leftists. It makes sense that they are because Elon is a capitalist billionaire known for being anti-Union, for overworking employees, and for being a general critic of leftists on his social media. He is the antithesis of most people on the left’s ideology.

>”Is asking that you practice what you preach leftwing these days? Is being a two-faced lyer a concervative value?”

Now this is just playing dirty. This is a rhetorical cheap shot combined with moral grandstanding while also being nakedly partisan at the same time.

[ClumsyPilot]

My disdain for them is about personal integrity.

For years I used to be a fan of both Elon and Steve jobs, but when I learn about how Jobs treated his child or the 'diver saving kids in a cave is a pedo' incident, I have to conclude that they are shitty people.

I can imagine how a man forces another man out of a company, offers him a rotten deal or even robs him at gunpoint.

I cannot understand how a man abandons his child in poverty. The degree of irresponsibility required to live with yourself, to me is incomprehensible.

Elon's 'pedo incident' is simpler - he tried to butt in into a rescue mission with a submarine PR project, made a fool of himself, and instead of admitting his mistake has displayed infantilism and self control of a moody teenager. He could have shown at least some respect to the diver that has saved many lives. So maybe not irredeemable, but does not sound like someone you'd invite over for dinner.

Maybe it's not their fault, maybe the flaw is in our society and when you become super rich and people line up in a mile long-queue to kiss your ass, it starts messing with your head and you really start to believe that the sun shines out of your arsehole and other people are lesser to you, the ubermench. Thats just a hypothesis.

I know right wing people who hate both of them, reasons vary: disrespecting family values, pushing green agenda, whatever.

But sometimes you dislike a person because they are a shitty person, and it has to do with their action, not political leanings.

[thirdwhrldPzz]

Everyone is a hypocrite from some context.

Really I just don’t think anyone should be above the real hands on work of supporting their existence.

Term limits for these roles should be explicit, not a game of they who can possess the most minds the longest wins.

The promise of human colonization of all of space time is still a high minded fantasy which makes this “hype/gossip my way to wealth” seemed designed to intentionally manipulate the same basal biology religion accidentally latched onto.

Who knows, maybe rockets to Mars are all wrong and we should be doing something completely different; information doesn’t need to just travel in a ship, but Star Trek seems to live long and prosper in his head.

[beaconstudios]

yes

[thirdwhrldPzz]

All of it is taken from him not releasing source code.

From him not unionizing his companies.

From the officially documented history of his business acquisitions where he bought up business that already existed.

This approaching 1984 level double speak. It’s the lack of effort that speaks to his motives. Where is the code for his machines that can choose to plow into us? But somehow Twitters algorithm is super important.

Edit: tacking on his desire to burn up fossil fuels on rockets while the UN is announcing we’re firmly on track to an unlivable ecosystem. We are not optimizing human economics but Elon’s.

[jfjfkfmfjr]

There is a clear difference between open sourcing Twitter's algorithm that promotes certain tweets over others and Tesla's IP.

Musk has a very high IQ. Unionizing his company would be a very dumb decision.

[PaulDavisThe1st]

> There is a clear difference between open sourcing Twitter's algorithm that promotes certain tweets over others and Tesla's IP.

Given that the IP in question includes whatever solution Tesla adopts for the trolley problem, there certainly is a clear difference. Twitter's algorithm is for arguing about, Tesla's algorithm is going to be directly the cause of death for someone (arguably, it already has).

[astrange]

The "trolley problem" isn't real, cars have brakes.

[PaulDavisThe1st]

You cannot be serious.

[astrange]

I am serious and any self-driving car engineer would agree with me. (I got this opinion from an AI lawyer at such a company.)

The truth is the opposite - not only will cars never make a "trolley problem" decision (because the only thing they should be doing is braking), it would be immoral to give them the capability, because it might decide it's in a trolley-problem scenario at the wrong time and randomly decide to sacrifice you.

[thirdwhrldPzz]

Yeah there is a clear difference. I never said there was not.

Strawman.

I have a very high iq; in a past life I designed power switching machines and high performance boards for Nortel. Also that’s an appeal to higher authority.

Also these companies are pretty data driven through automation; big banks are run from 2GB excel sheets. It’s just people doing math and the ones doing best also happen to have political tradition on their side.

Musk is still just one man.

[postmeta]

UAW is corrupt, encouraging them is a bad idea. Unions are symptom of corporations where employees don't have enough equity. Also a symptom of incompetent governments. If you fix the government or give employees equity you don't need unions. Tesla aspires to give employees equity. There are many who became millionaires after joining tesla early and working the line.

[thirdwhrldPzz]

There are many who became millionaires through unions.

It’s almost as if humans will work to enrich each other and the numbers game is artificial political semantics; millionaires appear in both constructs!

At least I can vote and discuss openly union operations.

Not so with Papa Elon. The outputs of labor are his preferred targets.

Why does humanity keep doing this?

Oh and governments serve at the will of the people which seems fine with the status quo. I’m not expecting much movement there. Any improvement on Main Street has to occur within politics as usual which means deflating Elon for change.

It’s really sus to suggest his vision for the far future is possible given he sits right at the same edge of discovery we do. “Outlook uncertain” for that far down the road is the only honest answer. Especially when “build rockets to nowhere” and even EV production are exacerbating industrial feedback loops threatening the species.

Diversity in thought leadership is good, imo.

[misiti3780]

prove it.