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by samvega_ 1547 days ago
It's part of the information warfare camapign of western media. News media challenging the narrative are being banned or threatened into submission.
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> It's part of the information warfare camapign.

Period. Western media has propaganda just like Russian media has theirs. Don't try to spin it as if the West is lying and Russia is not.

I would give you benefit of the doubt, but your post history shows you've been lamenting about the demonisation of Russian media, so your bias, as well as mine, is clear.

Both Western and Russian media are liars and full of Shenanigans. The only thing that matters is who is winning it. Many social accounts, streaming websites, news etc. must oblige to US policy otherwise they are banned or they face attrition.

Just see wion news. They have been speaking in favor of Ukraine in every news. But, they were banned because US thinks some news might be inappropriate for them. https://twitter.com/WIONews/status/1507378019563974659

First, there is no simple western media. That of Poland is different from Germany is different from France is totally different from the US media. Some of those are better than others

Second, we have a classic dilemma. There is a media openly spreading lies and wartime propaganda. Will you teeate the spread of blatant lies, hatred and incitement in the interest of "freedom" when the aim of that very media is not to inform but to incite anger, aggression and sow doubt about the government?

Twitter and facebook are not interchangeable with “US”
I think it would be counter productive to bring attention to this.

They're a very small percentage of Ukraine population.

If ANY country got invaded some of the soldiers defending against invaders are going to be fascists, it's inevitable. If the US got invaded and you wanted to throw out the fascists out of the army you wouldn't have much of an army lol.

Defending against an invasion from a foreign country is not really the time to discuss political ideologies, bullets are bullets, once the russians are out they can go back to making less than 5% of votes...

It's funny how they're simultaneously a small fringe group and at the same time a vital element of defence.

> If the US got invaded and you wanted to throw out the fascists out of the army you wouldn't have much of an army lol.

What an absurd premise. How many servicemen do you know?

> the russians are out they can go back to making less than 5% of votes

Right, because there is no way they would draw more support after being lionized as heros.

In any country a certain part of the population holds extreme views. If the military represents more or less the population then by necessity it will contain some fascists etc. If anything, you would not expect many vegans or non-violence activists in the military, but you would certainly expect to see those people that love power, weapons and the language of force, which correlates quite strongly with fascist views.

Op did not claim that the whole military is fascist.

They're near the border so obviously they can be seen as vital. They also were preparing for years.

If you're willingly getting a job that entails killing brown people overseas for no legitimate reason you're kind of a fascist :) If you voted for trump you're kind of a fascist.

>Right, because there is no way they would draw more support after being lionized as heros.

Like I said, I don't think this is the time to think about this, if your city was getting destroyed by a foreign invader, would you really care who's fighting the invaders? If they committed crimes they can be dealt with later once Ukraine assured its survival.

How does the saying go, "if you sit down at a table with 10 Nazi's, there is now a table of 11 Nazi's"?

It's been interesting watching how quickly this narrative changed once Ukraine became the center of attention on social media.

> If ANY country got invaded some of the soldiers defending against invaders are going to be fascists, it's inevitable

> Defending against an invasion from a foreign country is not really the time to discuss political ideologies

Yeah, yeah, it is like they just popped into existence on February 24.

If Ukraine government was really bothered with them they wouldn't exist now (or at least they wouldn't be a part of the country military forces) and it couldn't be used by Putin as one of the means to justify the invasion. Yet...

There is fascists in America and in most European countries. There is more white supremacists in America than Azov members in Ukraine(in %), but the GOP still exists, and there is American senators against interracial marriage.

There is literal nazis in any army in the world. Armies are rarely full of peaceful left leaning people.

putin doesn't need a reason. for anything. he murdered people for decades without repercussions, why would he need any kind of justification?

Could you prove this? That would be a great article.
Did you miss the banning of RT and sputnik?
ASBMilitary was banned from Twitter. They said their reporters in Ukraine were threatened due to the nature of their reporting, which challenged the Ukrainian narrative we're fed in the West.

Of course all Russian-friendly media platforms are banned. The narrative they bring is dangerous to the false image we're creating here in the west.

Social media platforms are waging war on "misinformation", removing content and opposing views en masse. This is not a secret. We're shielded against "propaganda", not aware we're steeped in propaganda.

The funny thing, even western news media reported on the resurgence of the far right and the prevalence of Neo-nazism in Ukraine, as well as its connection with government post-euromaidan. Referencing these very articles gets you stamped as a Russian bot these days.

The fact is that NATO countries are funding and militarizing neo-nazis in Ukraine in order to undermine Russia. And they're shielding them from bad press. Moreover, government forces (of which the neo-nazi militia is part of) has bombarded civilian areas of the seperatist regions for 8 years, and still do, which has killed about 14k civilians. There's complete silence about this injustice in the western press coverage of Ukraine.

What's most concerning is how normalized it has become to hate Russians.

I mean other than when invading poor, impoverished countries in third world for reasons full of deceit, corruption and material gain, when has Western media ever lied to us?
ASBMilitary was actively cheering on the Russian invasion, repeating their propaganda word for word.
You're just saying Western media is hiding the "facts" but not telling us which facts might these be. Do you mean the bullshit reasons Putin has told the Russian people to justify invading Ukraine? Is the West hiding that he really is there to denazify Ukraine?

Please tell us what the West doesn't want us to know.

Let it be clear, I am quite positive the Western intelligence is doing a massive work of propaganda and happy to be able to silence RT. But this doesn't justify and validate the bullshit story Putin has been telling the world to invade a sovereign country.

That's the problem. We don't know if it's BS or real. How am I, halfway across the world, going to know?

The other problem is we've labelled it BS to some degree because we just think Russia is making shit up to justify their actions. Maybe we think that because the claim of a "democratic", almost in NATO country becoming nazi is unthinkable, therefore it must be disinfo and propaganda BS by Putin.

https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011528/zelensky-nat...

Zelensky has banned all opposition parties that were critical of him in any way, claiming they "were all Russians", which looking at a few of the parties banned is clearly a joke.

Zelensky also banned all non-state approved news, forcing all information to be funneled through his one approved network.

This was after banning all males age 18-60 from leaving the country. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/02/25/russia-...

This is pretty common in prelude to and during wars. Abraham Lincoln infamously shut down newspapers and arrested journalists and the newspaper's staff.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-ar...