[zelienople]

When are we ever going to learn that our activities are needlessly destroying the planet? Make a phone. Sell it. Make it repairable and upgradeable. Let people keep it for a long time. The only drawback is the company won't get all the money that exists, just most of it.

But what good is all the money when we, the animals, the insects, and the planet in general, are dead?

The only reason you want a new phone at this point is to reinforce your feeling of superiority over the other monkeys. Neither that, nor the money, is worth what we have to pay for it.

[culopatin]

Where do you draw the line though? You obviously are impacting the planet by being in this thread. Not trying to call you out, I agree with you in a deeper sense, but I’m also conflicted because the peak effectiveness of this idea would be to stop everything you’re doing, not ever buying anything, and if you can, stop existing and transforming energy into heat.

That’s if we want to leave the planet for animals and insects to enjoy it… or are we the dominant ones that should enjoy it?

[rchaud]

> Make a phone. Sell it. Make it repairable and upgradeable. Let people keep it for a long time.

True. I remember going to the "electronics shop" in my neighbourhood to have the family VCR and CD player repaired. My family has a Sony CRT TV that lasted from 1998-2018, needing only occasional repairs, doable with parts available at the local shop.

Toyota and Honda 'dumb' cars are still this way; repairable at any body shop, with parts that don't cost an arm and a leg. I'm never going to purchase a Tesla or some other car (BMW/Mercedes/others) that give you little choice about where to go for service.