[ilyich]

The modern response "Heroiam slava!" (Glory to the heroes!) appeared in the 1930s among members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN). [0]

The greeting "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!" became an official slogan of Stepan Bandera's Nazi allied OUN-B in April 1941. OUN actively participated in holocaust and other atrocities during WW2. [1]

In other words, he roughly said "See you, Heil Hitler!" and she replied "Sieg Heil!"

Be safe!! Take care of yourselves!!

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_to_Ukraine

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nati...

[kbelder]

Yeah, and the 'ok' symbol means you're a white pride neo-nazi, right?

[kemitchell]

"Glory to Russia" ("Слава России") is the name of a national series of patriotic children's contests supported by the President's Fund for Cultural Initiatives: https://www.deti-rossia.ru/. It obviously does not compare to "Heil Hitler".

"Eternal glory to heroes of the Great Patriotic War" ("Вечная слава героям ВОВ") is a common refrain in Russian remembrance of WWII. You will see it on signs and on TV around memorial holidays. It obviously does not compare to "sieg heil".

Russia also had a nationalist movement that collaborated at times with the Nazis, the Russian Liberation Army. And Russian nationalists have attempted to rehabilitate their leader, General Vlasov, since the fall of the USSR, much as Ukrainian nationalists have Stepan Bandera.

[ilyich]

Yes, you're right. But there's a slight difference. No street, square, bridge etc. in Russia is named after Vlasov. And there are no monuments to Vlasov in Russia. Also Putin never said that praising a Nazi war criminal as a national hero is a normal and cool thing.

Zelensky: "There are indisputable heroes. Stepan Bandera is a hero for a certain part of Ukrainians, and this is a normal and cool thing." [0]

[0] - https://www.unian.info/politics/10521105-zelensky-on-bandera...

[kemitchell]

Equating "Слава Украине!" and "Героям слава!" with "Heil Hitler!" and "Sieg heil!" was wrong, and you knew it.

[chupy]

It's quite ridiculous but are you trying to insinuate that she was a Nazi? By the same logic you are applying does it mean that everyone that uses the phrase Allahu Akbar (God is great) is also a terrorist?

[xwdv]

It depends on the context. If you are on a bus and someone randomly stands and shouts Allahu Akbar, it would strike terror into those around them, so yes they could be a sort of terrorist, even if they aren’t actually about to blow themselves up.

But if you’re in a mosque, it’s not unusual to hear it exclaimed.

[ilyich]

What I am trying to explain is that "Slava Ukraine! Heroyam Slava!" is a direct calque from the German "Heil Hitler! Sieg Heil!".

"Slava" literally means "Heil" ("hail" in English). "Hitler" is replaced with "Ukraine" and "Sieg" (victory) with "Heroyam" (heroes).

This salute was coined and popularized by Ukrainian Nazi collaborators during WW2.

Now it's up to you to decide whether everyone that uses the phrase Heil Hitler (Long live Hitler) is also a Nazi or not.

[kbelder]

The people using it get to decide, and they obviously have, since they're not.

[chupy]

Let's be frank here, both of us know what you are implying. Cutting excerpts of wikipedia without the context is a pretty valid disinformation tactic. Replacing words randomly also to suit your previous point is ridiculous.

Glory to the heroes of the country is also pretty common in the army in Romania, there is even a famous monument with this written on it: "Intru slava eroilor neamului" which means To the glory to the heroes of the nation. This monument was built after the first world war.