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Launch HN: Method Financial (YC S19) – API to embed debt repayment into your app
47 points by joseb 1562 days ago
Hi HN, we’re Jose and Marco from Method (https://methodfi.com). We are building a developer-first API that makes it easy for developers to embed debt repayment into their applications. We enable your business to push money to any type of consumer debt, like student loans, credit cards, and mortgages, on behalf of your users.

Making payments to consumer debt on behalf of individuals is an archaic process. In most instances it involves mailing physical checks. If APIs exist at all, they are brittle. Figuring out how to do this with reasonable UX is costly, time-consuming, and involves lengthy compliance processes.

Fintechs have innovated to help users manage savings and investments, but so far have done little with debt, which is actually many people’s biggest anxiety. Ballooning American consumer debt means there’s a great need in this space, but fintechs attempting to enter it run into this issue of how hard it is to offer payments. That’s the problem we solve. By using our API, any company can embed debt repayment into their platform with instant access across 10,000+ financial institutions, covering 95% of all consumer debt.

We ran into this while building our previous startup called GradJoy. It started as a side project to manage our student loans, then turned into a PFM (personal finance manager) that connected all your student loans to one app and calculated the optimal way to get you out of debt. We got into YC S19 with this. Our next step was to connect with APIs and make payments on behalf of users. As Demo Day was nearing, integrating payments was taking longer than expected. We had assumed there would be an API solution, but we were unable to find one. We asked fellow founders in the lending space and told us we had to send physical checks to student loan servicers! Given our deadline we spun that up, but ran into constant issues with checks taking forever and getting lost in the mail. Managing payments was becoming our full-time job.

After Demo Day we worked to get integrated directly with the financial institutions to be able to make payments online. It took forever to jump through all the costly compliance hoops and work with slow-moving organizations. Once we finally rolled out electronic payments, we got a lot of interest from other YC founders who wanted to know how we did it. A lot of them asked if they could just use our internal payment APIs. Eventually we decided to pivot to Method Financial and focus on making it easy for developers to add debt repayment to their own apps and services.

Our solution is a developer-first API that handles account verification, money movement and transaction confirmation via direct integration into the banking network. To initiate a payment, developers just have to send a source account (where the money is coming from), a destination account (where the money is going), a transaction amount, and in some cases additional user verification (for compliance). That’s it!

On the back end we are connected to 10,000+ financial institutions because of our direct relationships with the banking core providers. This gives us access to networks of intra-bank payment rails. As soon as a payment is initiated from the customer side, we verify the end-user (KYC/AML), initiate money transfer and return confirmation in real time. Settlement usually completes on the same day. No more paper checks, no multiple integrations or screen-scraping, no transaction limits, far fewer returned payments, and best of all, we deal with the compliance headaches, including all the ongoing compliance maintenance that needs taking care of.

So far, companies are using us to do things like provide matching student loan payments as an employee benefit, do one-click balance transfers when switching credit cards, and allow cryptocurrency users to pay down debt or pay bills. We charge per API call, and there are monthly minimums similar to Plaid.

Our API is live and we have a self-serve dashboard with two environments: development mode (cannot move real money) and sandbox mode (move real money—up to 20 live payments for free). After a simple KYC verification, you can enable sandbox mode and move real money at https://dashboard.methodfi.com.

We’d love for you to try out Method. You can get development and sandbox API keys in our dashboard – no credit card required.

Have you built a similar payment infrastructure before? Have ideas for other potential use cases? We’d love to hear your questions, experiences, ideas and feedback! We’ll be online today to answer any questions - we’re always excited to talk about fintech, payments, APIs, etc.

12 comments

I'm trying to think of the business use-cases (TAM) where connections to debt repayments is more value-able then the current solution:

1) Personal Finance Manager's like GradJoy/Mint, definitely make sense, where the PFM knows about all my debts and helps me orchestrate payments between them. :)

2) Maybe a gofundme/honeyfund where people can "gift" someone money but it has to go directly to paying down debt? For example: Grandma knows you have student loans, wants to help, but wants to restrict where the money goes.

3) Are there apps where I earn money (gig economy, mechanical turk, etc) and it is somehow better (?) to have the money go directly to paying off my debt and NOT going into my bank account? I think the loss in flexibility about my wages would make this usecase a poor fit, unless there were other incentives attached to it. For example: instead of getting $5 to you bank account, you'll get $5.50 to pay down debt - like a 401k match for debt. Note: I'm not saying that employers can/should do this, just thinking out loud.

Definitely #1 (and #2 to an extent) is a straight forward solution. We have seen some interest in #3, but mostly due to the gratification of getting your debt paid down without you thinking about it. We are working companies that offer employee unique employee WFH perks such as mortgage repayment or electricity repayment as a benefit.

Some other verticals that we have seen benefit from direct connections to debt include: Lenders (Personal loans, credit cards, mortgages) and Fintechs (BNPL, Crypto, PFMS)

Of course not! You missed the most (only?) important one: more debt!

We can provide you with a loan that will consolidate all your existing debt! Student debt, medical debt, car debt, credit card debt, mortgage debt - you name it, we’ll refinance it!

Install our app and you can handle all your debt in a single easy payment! No job? No problem! Let us take care of you. Install our app now!

#3 is regulated and may be illegal for W-2 employees in the US.

You have to pay people with something as liquid as cash.

I could see payroll providers offering it as an option, similar to sending money to retirement plans, post-tax insurance, charitable contributions, etc. I have seen payroll plans that purchase goods either up front or on layaway.
This is how it works by default in New Zealand, and it works quite well in my opinion.

If you have a student loan then your tax code changes and student loan repayments are deducted from your pay like payroll taxes, at a rate 12% of every dollar you earn over the repayment threshold (~$20k NZD annually). In effect (combined with Kiwisaver, our retirement savings plan deducted at the same time) this means that you don't really need to think about your student loan when earning wages or a salary as your take home pay already accounts for this.

You can add manual repayments, but this is seldom done in NZ as student loans are interest free under certain conditions so there is less incentive to repay them quickly.

That's really interesting perspective, I had no idea that's how it worked in NZ. I suppose it works seamlessly in NZ as the loans are originated by the the NZ government. Could be interesting if student loan services in the US offered a BPS discount if the payment auto deducted from a paycheck.
Very cool! I had a bootstrapped project I worked on for a while to do a very similar thing but yeah, between KYC/Money Transmitter licenses and having to send physical checks in the mail we shuttered the project and moved on to other things. I hate that we need companies like this or plaid to be able to interface with our finances but I'm glad they exist for sure!
I hate that you faced the exact same issues we did. It's definitely a huge pain, especially for startups trying to innovate in the space. Our goal is to make it easier for everybody from solo developers all the way to the huge incumbents to interface with debt.
One smaller use case that comes to mind is for immigrants like myself. On an H1 visa, you are only allowed to receive a paycheck from the sponsoring employer, so you cannot do contract work for cash (stock is ok), but paying down debt might be a cool way to accept "payment" for services.
That's a very interesting use case. We'll have to explore more the limitations of H1 payments, but this could be a way to receive "payment" by directing it to your bills / debts.
This is great! Have you thought about moving your offering one step closer to the consumer and providing an app that consolidates all debt and recommends what to pay off first? Possibly even shuffling debt around between high interest and low interest accounts?
Not right now, we are focused on B2B and enabling other developers to build on top of our platform. Our goal is to build the pipes and promote new breed of debt focused fintechs. We are working with some stealth fintechs solving both of the ideas you mentioned!
That's great! Anything that helps people get out of (bad) debt is a step in the right direction.
Why would someone prefer having their debt paid over just receiving money which they can use to buy something, invest into something with a better return than interest on your debt, or pay off their debt?
Ultimately it depends on the type of debt. Some people carry credit card balances with 20% APR, so in that case is much better to pay off the balance on the credit card when compared to market returns.
Hi - do you cover medical debt? I didn't see listed on the site
We do! We just recently launched it and it's in a private beta stage. If you are interested in the beta, let me know would love to connect!
Yes - let me know the best way to connect!
Awesome, I'll send you a note to your personal website email
Great product. Congrats on the raise. How do you monetise this?
Thanks for the support! Right now we monetize by charging a flat fee per API call, similar to API-first companies like Plaid.
Does Plaid let you make payments to debt?
They don't. Plaid is able to retrieve all the data about a debt using the user's credentials and that's about it. Most of our companies / developers use Plaid as their data source and Method as the payment rails.
Interesting
so cool to see your evolution from how the company looked doing the batch -> now! congrats on the launch folks, this looks great.
Thanks Evan! Really appreciate the support.
How is this even legal? Huh.
Oh look, instead of teaching people financial skills in school, we will eventually have an FIN.AI

It will automatically calc our income and priorities and allocate our spending as such, which will happen automatically via CBDC.

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Seriously - this is where we are headed:

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John works as an SRE for BigTech.com, he wakes in the morning on April 1st 2030, payday.

His automatic payment system is activated, providing him a summary of income and active debts, bills and payments that are payable.

His screen shows him that he made $5,000 this pay period, before taxes, but he has $3500 in his deposit.

From that deposit, he also has these fees due, and expected to deduct from his pay:

Insurance, Rent, Groceries, subscriptions, etc...

He will select auth for payment to each fee due via the app.

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FF: John lost his job.

Now its Oct. 1st and john reviews his "Due Dash" -- which shows him he needs to pay X services.

John has no income, and his auto-pay for things has already hit his account whilst he was sleeping and John basically already auto-payed a bunch of services he should have canceled.

John is fucked. Because he paid his netflix bill automatically, and thus he is insufficiently funded for his Rent.

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John has a traffic ticket which he is indignant about and vows NOT to pay such. Methodfi.AI automatically makes him pay that ticket.

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HERE is my question:

Every time I leave the house, I am bombarded with every aspect of marketing to get me to SPEND.

How about creating an environment/thing and business model that MAKES me monet(y) as opposed to creating the tech that makes it EASIER to SPEND.

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So, in conclusion, please ensure you have the most exquisite controls over allocations and spending behavior.