[pauldenton]

Well there's the Russians under every bed paranoia Look how they treated Trump from the start. 2020 was the most secure election in American history. 2016 was stolen by secret Russian collusion, that even a multi year long Mueller probe was unable to find any connections or collusion.

You can also find the limits on information through polling. Over half of fox News viewers believe that the US government found WMDs in Iraq in 2003. Over half of Democrats believe Russians hacked vote tallies and compromised voting machines in 2016

[xkbarkar]

The coverage on the BLM protests also. The hypocracy of liberal media .

Nurses with “see you next week” signs during Trump ralleys and then one week later full 100% support for rallying. Just ad long as the cause is considered politically correct.

There was an article ( oped ) in Nature magazine on these protests that claimef the only covid spread that happening during BLM protests was because some people brought their unmasked children.

Nature magazine wrote that.

Ill try to dig up a link I personally feel it is healthy to have your eyes opened to your own political sides hypocracy.

I will never trust journalists again.

[bestnameever]

> Russians under every bed paranoia

I always wonder how much that is a result of Trumps non-stop tweeting about it

> Over half of Democrats believe Russians hacked vote tallies and compromised voting machines in 2016

source?

[Cederfjard]

The Mueller investigation did however find evidence of obstruction of justice. There was also undisputably communication between the Trump campaign and the Russians. A reasonable person can still believe that it’s within the realm of possibility that something illegal went down there, although I concede it has not been proven.

Contrast that with what I asked for, claims as deranged as what QAnon put forth. Are you telling me that you think that what you mentioned is on par with stories about a cabal of satanic cannibal pedophiles secretly controlling the entire US government, with Trump being the only one in power fighting back (also in silence, by the way)?

[lordloki]

The entire Trump-Russia collusion story was invented by the Clinton campaign and fed to leftists eager to hear anything that explained how Trump could have been elected. The fact is that Trump appealed to enough people in enough states to win in 2016, but instead of believing that, leftists jumped on this collusion nonsense. That story is literally the biggest conspiracy theory of all time, and it sounds like you bought it hook, line, and sinker. Believing that Trump was taking orders from Putin is comparable to believing that the world is controlled by cabal of pedophiles. Your bias may prevent you from seeing it, or the four years of media spreading the conspiracy theory, but they are equally unrealistic.

[Cederfjard]

> Your bias may prevent you from seeing it

I’m just going to feed this quote back to you. I doubt we will be able to reconcile our respective understandings of this in short order because they’re so far apart, but suffice it to say I believe yours is much further from reality than mine.

To be clear, I never said I believed Trump took actual orders from Putin directly. Did he try to illegally cooperate with and got manipulated by him and his cronies? Yes, that I believe, even though I haven’t seen enough evidence to put it beyond a reasonable doubt (potentially because of the aforementioned obstruction of justice).