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by Cederfjard 1559 days ago
The Mueller investigation did however find evidence of obstruction of justice. There was also undisputably communication between the Trump campaign and the Russians. A reasonable person can still believe that it’s within the realm of possibility that something illegal went down there, although I concede it has not been proven.

Contrast that with what I asked for, claims as deranged as what QAnon put forth. Are you telling me that you think that what you mentioned is on par with stories about a cabal of satanic cannibal pedophiles secretly controlling the entire US government, with Trump being the only one in power fighting back (also in silence, by the way)?
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lordloki 1559 days ago
The entire Trump-Russia collusion story was invented by the Clinton campaign and fed to leftists eager to hear anything that explained how Trump could have been elected. The fact is that Trump appealed to enough people in enough states to win in 2016, but instead of believing that, leftists jumped on this collusion nonsense. That story is literally the biggest conspiracy theory of all time, and it sounds like you bought it hook, line, and sinker. Believing that Trump was taking orders from Putin is comparable to believing that the world is controlled by cabal of pedophiles. Your bias may prevent you from seeing it, or the four years of media spreading the conspiracy theory, but they are equally unrealistic.
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Cederfjard 1559 days ago
> Your bias may prevent you from seeing it

I’m just going to feed this quote back to you. I doubt we will be able to reconcile our respective understandings of this in short order because they’re so far apart, but suffice it to say I believe yours is much further from reality than mine.

To be clear, I never said I believed Trump took actual orders from Putin directly. Did he try to illegally cooperate with and got manipulated by him and his cronies? Yes, that I believe, even though I haven’t seen enough evidence to put it beyond a reasonable doubt (potentially because of the aforementioned obstruction of justice).

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