[ivan90210]

1 - there will be no Ukraine by the time any of current measures start hurting anyone other than pedestrians. the measures that would work are not being considered seriously by anyone that matters

2 - state-funded actors will still have access to the internet

3 - state agencies will still have access to the internet

4 - pedestrians will still have access to the intranet

5 - it doesn't do anything about the nukes, and as for the threat of Russian tanks rolling their way into Germany, which has been on everyone's minds for the past 8 years, well, don't you feel silly now

[NicoJuicy]

The question was what's the goal.

It's not just limiting current war capacity, but also limiting future war capacity and funds.

From my POV, that seems to be working. You say it isn't, based on what?

> the measures that would work are not being considered seriously

And what are successfull measures according to you?

Additionally, you are severely underestimating what Russia requires to occupy Ukraine vs. Invading. They need an additional willing 500 k. Troops for that. They don't have the numbers and even their FSB report mentions that.

Ps. His children live in Europe, i doubt he'll drop bombs here.

[ivan90210]

>From my POV, that seems to be working. You say it isn't, based on what?

China. they're doing fine without the internet

>And what are successfull measures according to you?

military intervention from the US

>Ps. His children live in Europe, i doubt he'll drop bombs here.

I wish I had your certainty. I've given up trying to predict the future. I hope you're right

[NicoJuicy]

China isn't that disconnected, the question is how many know English which accomplishes most of their goals. Many IT Russians know English and they are fleeing the country.

Military US intervention is dumb at the current time. US is near China to protect Taiwan, intervening for Russia would be an overreaction at this point.

Europe can handle this if it escalates, Russia isn't that powerful in their army as their propaganda claims.

In practice, they sold most of their modern equipment to have money. Europe didn't need that.

Just look at the numbers, eg. GDP. Russia is way overreaching it's hand.

It isn't the Soviet era no more when it was somewhat equal to the US.

I don't like this situation either and it's cruel. But crunching the numbers, knowing that their equipment is mostly of the Soviet era and not maintained + ignoring propaganda makes it more 'comfortable' to not 'overreact'. Eg. Who will even maintain their tech systems? The people that know English ( and can use it to learn) are fleeing the country. I see thousands of Russian tech people trying to get out of the country mostly to Europe/Canada.

There is no one to immediately replace them. solely learning English takes long enough and that's just a single bottleneck they are experiencing now.

[sofixa]

> there will be no Ukraine by the time any of current measures start hurting anyone other than pedestrians. the measures that would work are not being considered seriously by anyone that matters

The measures that would work such as direct sanctions and seizing the assets of a bunch of oligarchs, Putin and his ministers? Which were step 1? Or freezing the Russian central bank's foreign currency reserves?

Furthermore, 2 weeks in, Ukraine is holding out, Russia is bleeding men and equipment, and their advance is pretty much stalled on almost all fronts. They're mobilising museum pieces from the Far East and random civilians vehicles to send to Ukraine, so it doesn't seem like the equipment situation is great. I doubt a mass mobilisation will be gladly accepted by the Russian population, so to what extent they can deal with those loses is yet to see.

Even if Russia manages to conquer all of Ukraine, they couldn't occupy it for lack of troops.

[ivan90210]

>The measures that would work such as ...

measures that would get Russia to withdraw

>Even if Russia manages to conquer all of Ukraine, they couldn't occupy it for lack of troops.

the only if in this war is whether Ukraine surrenders before or after its cities get Second Chechen War treatment

[NicoJuicy]

You haven't given any example.

The best measure for forcing Russia to withdraw is lack of funds.

At least give a decent alternative that would work... I tried to think of "any" other and there is no viable one.

Except if China would remove the lifeline, which they won't. Since they can buy Russian energy/food companies for pennies on the dollar.

https://wap.business-standard.com/article-amp/international/... ( + other sources are easily found)

Looks like modern colonization to me.