[sxates]

The only benefit Hydrogen had over BEV was refueling time. I think what we've learned in the last few years is that charging at home overnight makes up for the perceived disadvantage BEVs have, and we're seeing rapid improvement in DC fast charging times (18 minutes for the 800v Hyundai Ioniq5 and it's platform cousins, for example) for longer road trips. In fact I just drove 450 miles across california in an EV and the car was always done charging before I could get my kid out of the car for a bathroom break and a quick snack and then back in the car.

So if refueling time isn't as big a deal as it was 5-10 years ago, and will be even less of an issue in another 5-10, Hydrogen starts to look pretty lousy actually. For those who own BEV's, having to stop at some point in your day to go to a fuel station feels archaic. Home charging is a game changer.

[Naac]

What about people living in apartment buildings that can't charge at home?

[smileysteve]

It's cheaper to give apartment buildings and nearby properties tax incentives to install chargers that are used 30 minutes at a time than to install hydrogen stations for apartment dwellers...

In the SE united states, our Power Companies are actively partnering with our Gas Stations to add chargers.

(this is in addition to Tesla's massive Super Charger network that gets people from coast to coast, generic charges installed at state parks, and local and federal tax benefits to install chargers)

[ftlio]

BEVs are also a better way of economizing wide scale distribution of storage throughout the grid. With one battery per car, you do run into load shifting issues (everyone generally charging at home during the same night time interval, even if that interval is half a day), but as it's not that hard to take the same tech in the car and strap it to the wall, as opposed to hydrogen, you get what is probably a way bigger ROI per cell.

Of course that requires some coordination from the same kind of entity that is apparently wasting money already on energy transportation and storage.

[rr808]

Buses, taxis, delivery vans - there are loads of vehicles that need to be running all day and can't stop for a charge.

[coding123]

If buses ever go Lithium they may figure out a way to do large battery swap-n-charge systems at the main station.

Taxis are already solved via Uber and so it's likely that people are already interested in buying EVs and that's no different for Uber drivers.

Delivery vehicles are often carrying only so much cargo and so it's likely the single night charge can handle everything. Mountain deliveries may see problems if we don't have a liquid fuel however.

[outworlder]

I suspect all those applications are, in fact, stopping at some point. There are taxi drivers on EVs today. They have to stop to eat sometime.

[daniel-cussen]

Taxis and delivery vans do fill up during the day.

[rr808]

Exactly, and with Hydrogen its quick, just like gas.