[elij]

this situation has truly opened my eyes about how selective the general population (especially in the UK) can be about certain things.

supplying arms and willing civilians to fight a war = bad Russia 2014

supplying arms and willing civilians to fight a war = good Liz Truss (UK Foreign Secretary) 2022 but before 2022 it was bad

*disclaimer -- both bad

We have been told my entire life that boycotting economies is bad (which is what is going on, this isn't just sanctions) and in some situations discrimination (on grounds of race) but now it's ok.

My brain hurts trying to reconcile these positions.

We just need to end this conflict ASAP and it doesn't help promising to speed run UKR into EU and NATO (even if that's the ultimate goal)

[nickspicer1993]

- In 2014 it was bad because the reason was to invade a country that did not want to be invaded

- In 2022 it was good because it was to defend a country from invasion that did not want it

In both cases the underlying reason is the same, defend the will of the people.

What is the underlying argument you are trying to pursue? We should not sanction ordinary Russian people because all governments invade/meddle in other countries not just Russia?

[elij]

I think you're forgetting our history with the first part -- especially within our Isles. This is my issue when we try to be too clever about this.

get around a table and talk it out rather than put Ukrainians and Russians in the firing line in an irreversible way -- while we pontificate from relative comfort in the Europe/US -- no one wins from this fighting

FYI: It was criminal as a Brit to fight against IS (the goal of UK) as a civilian