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I think you're forgetting our history with the first part -- especially within our Isles. This is my issue when we try to be too clever about this.

get around a table and talk it out rather than put Ukrainians and Russians in the firing line in an irreversible way -- while we pontificate from relative comfort in the Europe/US -- no one wins from this fighting

FYI: It was criminal as a Brit to fight against IS (the goal of UK) as a civilian