| >Humans are not naturally herbivores. This is true. We're also not naturally vaccinated. We also don't naturally wipe our ass with toilet paper and wash our hands with soap and clean water. I understand the naturalistic fallacy at play here. But diet is a different ballgame consisting of a lifetime of complexity via consumption as it interacts with both our genetics and our genetic expression in reaction to our external environment far beyond food. Acting like it's comparable to wiping our ass with paper is like comparing toddlers rolling a ball on the ground to each other to say... smashing sub-atomic particles together The level do complexity is so frigging vast and there's a reason its 2022 and its not settled science. A real grass fed burger is endlessly healthier than a processed "beyond meat" one. For example. Oreos are vegan. Veganism or vegetarianism doesn't imply health automatically I know vegetarians, keto folk, plaeo crowds, vegans, fasters and even carnivores like to repeat cherry picked studies and cite them for upvotes in their cloisters and communities... But it doesn't make the truth settled in regards to health span and life span (which are not the same thing). There's zero doubt athletic and even intellectual performance increases with the addition of meat to a diet in a way vegan diets can't compete with. There's centurains who ate meat all their lives. There's ones who are vegetarian and did. My grandmother in 98. She's a meat eater. Hell, she goes to burger King and Imho, eats badly and has for the last 10 years of her life. Its just not an easy subject thats going to be solved by tribalism and divergent moral codes. |
False.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32780794/
> Objectives: We aimed to compare the effect of consuming plant-based alternative meat (Plant) as opposed to animal meat (Animal) on health factors. The primary outcome was fasting serum trimethylamine-N-oxide (TMAO). Secondary outcomes included fasting insulin-like growth factor 1, lipids, glucose, insulin, blood pressure, and weight.
Conclusions: Among generally healthy adults, contrasting Plant with Animal intake, while keeping all other dietary components similar, the Plant products improved several cardiovascular disease risk factors, including TMAO; there were no adverse effects on risk factors from the Plant products.
> I know vegetarians, keto folk, plaeo crowds, vegans, fasters and even carnivores like to repeat cherry picked studies and cite them for upvotes in their cloisters and communities...
I never claimed a vegan diet is optimal for health span. You can have a healthy diet with or without meat.
Strictly from a health perspective, you're right. We don't need to give up meat to be healthy.
I just meant well-planned vegan diets have shown to be health promoting compared to standard omnivorous diets.
I was just expanding on the ethical concerns the parent comment hinted at. Why subject sentient beings to such suffering when most people can be healthy without them?
My point with the toilet paper comment was that just because we did things in the past is not a valid justification for doing that thing in the present. I was speaking more from a cultural and ethical perspective rather than a health one.
> There's zero doubt athletic and even intellectual performance increases with the addition of meat to a diet in a way vegan diets can't compete with.
Citation needed.
As far as I know there aren't any studies where vegan diets are associated with cognitive decline (but saturated fat from meat was in some studies, but the link was tenuous).
And as for the athletic part, at least for the muscle-building side of things, both plant-based and omnivorous diets have shown to produce similar muscle growth at protein intakes ~1.6g/kg/d or higher.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33599941/