| >A real grass fed burger is endlessly healthier than a processed "beyond meat" one. False. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32780794/ > Objectives: We aimed to compare the effect of consuming plant-based alternative meat (Plant) as opposed to animal meat (Animal) on health factors. The primary outcome was fasting serum trimethylamine-N-oxide (TMAO). Secondary outcomes included fasting insulin-like growth factor 1, lipids, glucose, insulin, blood pressure, and weight. Conclusions: Among generally healthy adults, contrasting Plant with Animal intake, while keeping all other dietary components similar, the Plant products improved several cardiovascular disease risk factors, including TMAO; there were no adverse effects on risk factors from the Plant products. > I know vegetarians, keto folk, plaeo crowds, vegans, fasters and even carnivores like to repeat cherry picked studies and cite them for upvotes in their cloisters and communities... I never claimed a vegan diet is optimal for health span. You can have a healthy diet with or without meat. Strictly from a health perspective, you're right. We don't need to give up meat to be healthy. I just meant well-planned vegan diets have shown to be health promoting compared to standard omnivorous diets. I was just expanding on the ethical concerns the parent comment hinted at. Why subject sentient beings to such suffering when most people can be healthy without them? My point with the toilet paper comment was that just because we did things in the past is not a valid justification for doing that thing in the present. I was speaking more from a cultural and ethical perspective rather than a health one. > There's zero doubt athletic and even intellectual performance increases with the addition of meat to a diet in a way vegan diets can't compete with. Citation needed. As far as I know there aren't any studies where vegan diets are associated with cognitive decline (but saturated fat from meat was in some studies, but the link was tenuous). And as for the athletic part, at least for the muscle-building side of things, both plant-based and omnivorous diets have shown to produce similar muscle growth at protein intakes ~1.6g/kg/d or higher. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33599941/ |